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If people were suddenly capable of being 100% in control of their own thoughts, choices, and beliefs, every dark pattern experiment would end and the advertisin

by _moof 4y ago

If people were suddenly capable of being 100% in control of their own thoughts, choices, and beliefs, every dark pattern experiment would end and the advertising industry would collapse.

yunohn 4y ago
No, but don’t you see? Hackernews is full of people with absolute control over their thoughts, never influenced by others, always taking the best choices given their extreme intellect. /s
- tluyben2 4y ago
  Exactly, you can see that from the droves of people here who control their own thoughts and yet fully believe the only way to launch their own unfunded startup is by hosting it on aws on multi az clusters with all the latest crap paying 10k/month. Considering the chance your startup will probably never make money and you will close in 6-12 months, you could also have given 120k to charity. Or, you know, not believe ‘gurus’ and ads and use rational thought to just start on a $1/mo vps. Everyone on HN makes the best choices indeed!
  - marginalia_nu 4y ago
    To be fair, this is conflating knowledge with moral continence. Someone might be doing what they think is right, while acting on false beliefs leading them to do something they later regard as having been wrong. This is different from acting in willful ignorance of what one already knows is wrong (which is also common, and arguably should be faulted much more than it is).
    - tluyben2 4y ago
      Well, if you read the Twitter stuff for these ‘investors’, I don’t think it is very different. They got told by random gurus or ads it is a good idea (for investing) or the only way (‘because traditional finance sucks and you are doomed using it’) and they really believed it. This lack of morality or wilful ignorance, I would be willing to bet, is a very small % of the crypto community. I am also willing to bet that same small % make the most. But I cannot prove anything of course.
- rad_gruchalski 4y ago
  But hacker news isn’t representative of the general population.

by _moof 4y ago

If people were suddenly capable of being 100% in control of their own thoughts, choices, and beliefs, every dark pattern experiment would end and the advertising industry would collapse.

yunohn 4y ago

No, but don’t you see? Hackernews is full of people with absolute control over their thoughts, never influenced by others, always taking the best choices given their extreme intellect. /s

tluyben2 4y ago
Exactly, you can see that from the droves of people here who control their own thoughts and yet fully believe the only way to launch their own unfunded startup is by hosting it on aws on multi az clusters with all the latest crap paying 10k/month. Considering the chance your startup will probably never make money and you will close in 6-12 months, you could also have given 120k to charity. Or, you know, not believe ‘gurus’ and ads and use rational thought to just start on a $1/mo vps. Everyone on HN makes the best choices indeed!
- marginalia_nu 4y ago
  To be fair, this is conflating knowledge with moral continence. Someone might be doing what they think is right, while acting on false beliefs leading them to do something they later regard as having been wrong. This is different from acting in willful ignorance of what one already knows is wrong (which is also common, and arguably should be faulted much more than it is).
  - tluyben2 4y ago
    Well, if you read the Twitter stuff for these ‘investors’, I don’t think it is very different. They got told by random gurus or ads it is a good idea (for investing) or the only way (‘because traditional finance sucks and you are doomed using it’) and they really believed it. This lack of morality or wilful ignorance, I would be willing to bet, is a very small % of the crypto community. I am also willing to bet that same small % make the most. But I cannot prove anything of course.
rad_gruchalski 4y ago
But hacker news isn’t representative of the general population.