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I really enjoyed scrolling through more than half the article before finding the answer. """ Part of it seems to be the lifestyle choices that smarter people

by b1n 4y ago

I really enjoyed scrolling through more than half the article before finding the answer. """ Part of it seems to be the lifestyle choices that smarter people tend to make: namely, that they smoke at much lower rates. Similarly, smarter people are more likely to follow other healthy practices, have a better handle on their health care, and be less likely to work in a job that puts them at physical risk. Socioeconomic status could play a role as well, perhaps allowing people to access better education and care ... There are also genetic factors. """

xorcist 4y ago
Phrased in a more useful way: It seems likely that the type of person who tends to act in long term interest including getting an education, following basic health advice and so on, also tends to score higher on IQ tests.
- legalcorrection 4y ago
  >also tends to score higher on IQ tests And is smarter. Why are people allergic to the idea that some people are smarter than others?
  - gryn 4y ago
    not allergic just that the word means many things to different people in different contexts, just like the word "thing".
  - jhanschoo 4y ago
    It is important to distinguish between the kind of intelligence that IQ tests test (primarily quick thinking, pattern recognition, short term memory ability, etc.) from smart in the more general sense which may include being knowledgeable.
    - BizarroLand 4y ago
      My guess is the pattern recognition section is the real boost here. If you are good at pattern recognition, then you may subconsciously realize that people who do X get result Y. If you want result Y for yourself, then you may attempt to do X at a greater likelihood than your specific cultural or ethnic background would otherwise suggest. Living longer, being richer, happier, healthier, etc. are all things that typically come to fruition for a person based on their activities and the choices they make.
  - 8note 4y ago
    It's an allergy to equating a higher IQ score with being smarter. Being smarter can result in a higher score, but so can practicing multiple choice tests, and being more familiar with the language used by the test. I won't get the same results for a test in English as one in French.
- annyeonghada 4y ago
  Or... some people are smarter than others. Here[1] some research. [1]https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/oh6115/performance_on_standardized_assessments_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/oh6115/perf...
Rochus 4y ago
> There are also genetic factors. This assumption is challenged by e.g. this study: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1718793115 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1718793115
DonHopkins 4y ago
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- walkhour 4y ago
  > Now that Republicans are voluntarily culling themselves in vastly higher numbers (at 2.73 times and higher death rates in "red" versus "blue" counties) by believing and repeating and acting on Trump's anti-vax anti-mask anti-science anti-education anti-health-care misinformation, there are also strong political factors. But I strongly suspect it's also correlated with lower intelligence, too. You need to emphasize more with your fellow citizens instead of just insulting them. Some of them will think that you're a state puppet, that just parrots Fauci's propaganda, a good useful idiot, without any ability whatsoever to think by yourself, do you think it would be a kind interpretation of your position? We can have close zero COVID deaths, we just need a ten year lockdown and ride this out. This is not done because there are tradeoffs, do you think maybe the red states were looking for different tradeoffs? Have you attempted to quantify this tradeoffs, it's extremely hard, see [0]. Were you aware that the death rate is not the single relevant datum? Maybe you should stop shouting science and inform yourself better on this topic. [0] https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/lockdown-effectiveness-much-more https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/lockdown-effectiveness...
  - DonHopkins 4y ago
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    - walkhour 4y ago
      I see you're very upset at republicans, when was the last time you talked to one? > But actually it's not that the left wants them to die, it's simply that the left wants them to stop killing innocent people, because we still have empathy on all the intelligent, elderly, immune compromised, heath care workers, and simply unlucky people they're taking down with them as they voluntarily cull themselves. You should stop broadcasting your lack of understanding of the situation. Respond to the parts of my previous comment that address this instead of repeating yourself please.

by b1n 4y ago

xorcist 4y ago

Phrased in a more useful way: It seems likely that the type of person who tends to act in long term interest including getting an education, following basic health advice and so on, also tends to score higher on IQ tests.

legalcorrection 4y ago
>also tends to score higher on IQ tests And is smarter. Why are people allergic to the idea that some people are smarter than others?
- gryn 4y ago
  not allergic just that the word means many things to different people in different contexts, just like the word "thing".
- jhanschoo 4y ago
  It is important to distinguish between the kind of intelligence that IQ tests test (primarily quick thinking, pattern recognition, short term memory ability, etc.) from smart in the more general sense which may include being knowledgeable.
  - BizarroLand 4y ago
    My guess is the pattern recognition section is the real boost here. If you are good at pattern recognition, then you may subconsciously realize that people who do X get result Y. If you want result Y for yourself, then you may attempt to do X at a greater likelihood than your specific cultural or ethnic background would otherwise suggest. Living longer, being richer, happier, healthier, etc. are all things that typically come to fruition for a person based on their activities and the choices they make.
- 8note 4y ago
  It's an allergy to equating a higher IQ score with being smarter. Being smarter can result in a higher score, but so can practicing multiple choice tests, and being more familiar with the language used by the test. I won't get the same results for a test in English as one in French.
annyeonghada 4y ago
Or... some people are smarter than others. Here[1] some research. [1]https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/oh6115/performance_on_standardized_assessments_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/oh6115/perf...

Rochus 4y ago

> There are also genetic factors. This assumption is challenged by e.g. this study: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1718793115 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1718793115

DonHopkins 4y ago

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walkhour 4y ago
> Now that Republicans are voluntarily culling themselves in vastly higher numbers (at 2.73 times and higher death rates in "red" versus "blue" counties) by believing and repeating and acting on Trump's anti-vax anti-mask anti-science anti-education anti-health-care misinformation, there are also strong political factors. But I strongly suspect it's also correlated with lower intelligence, too. You need to emphasize more with your fellow citizens instead of just insulting them. Some of them will think that you're a state puppet, that just parrots Fauci's propaganda, a good useful idiot, without any ability whatsoever to think by yourself, do you think it would be a kind interpretation of your position? We can have close zero COVID deaths, we just need a ten year lockdown and ride this out. This is not done because there are tradeoffs, do you think maybe the red states were looking for different tradeoffs? Have you attempted to quantify this tradeoffs, it's extremely hard, see [0]. Were you aware that the death rate is not the single relevant datum? Maybe you should stop shouting science and inform yourself better on this topic. [0] https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/lockdown-effectiveness-much-more https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/lockdown-effectiveness...
- DonHopkins 4y ago
  [flagged]
  - walkhour 4y ago
    I see you're very upset at republicans, when was the last time you talked to one? > But actually it's not that the left wants them to die, it's simply that the left wants them to stop killing innocent people, because we still have empathy on all the intelligent, elderly, immune compromised, heath care workers, and simply unlucky people they're taking down with them as they voluntarily cull themselves. You should stop broadcasting your lack of understanding of the situation. Respond to the parts of my previous comment that address this instead of repeating yourself please.