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Partly due to better choices. Partly because iq -> better job -> more money -> better options. Partly due to social circles. And partly biological - I don't kno

Partly due to better choices. Partly because iq -> better job -> more money -> better options. Partly due to social circles. And partly biological - I don't know if high iq is positively associated with good genes overall, but both bad genes and bad childhood are definitely a cause for both lower iq and shorter life span. Which makes low iq and shorter life span correlated.

ravi-delia 4y ago
I went in expecting almost all that last one and a negligible effect from anything else, but it seems there really is something there. Interesting, I'll have to look more into it.
- radu_floricica 4y ago
  Don't underestimate poor choices. Just diabetes management alone probably covers a few percentage points of the difference. It's not executive function either, it's plain complicated.
nils-m-holm 4y ago
Anecdatum: I cannot complain about my IQ, have never had any success in our society, have been poor most time of my life, never had many options, have very few friends, and still choose a healthy lifestyle.
- wruza 4y ago
  Did you try? Asking because I never did in a similar position.
  - nils-m-holm 4y ago
    Try to live a different life? Yes, and I found out that my values are utterly incompatible with society's. I have often put honesty (not in a rude way, but in an intellectual way) and the well-being of other people before my own needs, only to find out that this is a loser's strategy.
    - annyeonghada 4y ago
      >only to find out that this is a loser's strategy I'm still processing this truth. I basically put my life, university and career on stop to help my sister. I oscillate between thinking "I'm a good person" to "I just wish I were a selfish bastard". Definitely a loser's strategy.
      - s1artibartfast 4y ago
        It's not a looser strategy, it is just a choice and compromise. You can't do or have everything. Sometimes you have to give things up to get other things you want. You prioritized one are over another and there is nothing wrong with that.
      - alphabettsy 4y ago
        > to help my sister. Curious, help with what? Why did you have to put your life on hold?
    - radu_floricica 4y ago
      It's kinda impolite of me to give advice when I know so little but... oh well. It's Saturday and I'm too sleep deprived to do anything but haunt forums. My particular solution to your dilemma was to find a better circle of friends. An anime club, of all things, some 20 years ago. The specific hobby doesn't matter, but having compatible people around helped a lot. I'm almost equally uncomfortable in the classic "party" scenario as I was at 18, but in my current lifestyle that happens maybe once a decade. The rest is filled with socializing, my way. As for putting honesty and other people before yourself... hehe. That's classic lack of social skills and reading cues. Did that - god, that used to do a number on my dating experiences. Sometimes you have to NOT say the first thing that comes to your head. That's the first skill to learn. Second you'll find a small voice inside your head that'll start telling you when you're about to say the wrong thing - start cultivating it. But first of all you need the commitment to actually listen to it, and squash any trace of "but than I won't be the authentic me" excuse.
      - nils-m-holm 4y ago
- nikanj 4y ago
  Statistics and correlations never apply to individuals. The illustration my stats professor used was: ”We all agree that generally women are shorter than men, but Petey is 5’2” and Claire is 6’
  - nils-m-holm 4y ago
    Not arguing about that! Parent described a mechanism, I provided a counterpoint (and clearly marked it as anecdotal).
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ravi-delia 4y ago

I went in expecting almost all that last one and a negligible effect from anything else, but it seems there really is something there. Interesting, I'll have to look more into it.

radu_floricica 4y ago
Don't underestimate poor choices. Just diabetes management alone probably covers a few percentage points of the difference. It's not executive function either, it's plain complicated.

nils-m-holm 4y ago

Anecdatum: I cannot complain about my IQ, have never had any success in our society, have been poor most time of my life, never had many options, have very few friends, and still choose a healthy lifestyle.

wruza 4y ago
Did you try? Asking because I never did in a similar position.
- nils-m-holm 4y ago
  Try to live a different life? Yes, and I found out that my values are utterly incompatible with society's. I have often put honesty (not in a rude way, but in an intellectual way) and the well-being of other people before my own needs, only to find out that this is a loser's strategy.
  - annyeonghada 4y ago
    >only to find out that this is a loser's strategy I'm still processing this truth. I basically put my life, university and career on stop to help my sister. I oscillate between thinking "I'm a good person" to "I just wish I were a selfish bastard". Definitely a loser's strategy.
    - s1artibartfast 4y ago
      It's not a looser strategy, it is just a choice and compromise. You can't do or have everything. Sometimes you have to give things up to get other things you want. You prioritized one are over another and there is nothing wrong with that.
    - alphabettsy 4y ago
      > to help my sister. Curious, help with what? Why did you have to put your life on hold?
  - radu_floricica 4y ago
    It's kinda impolite of me to give advice when I know so little but... oh well. It's Saturday and I'm too sleep deprived to do anything but haunt forums. My particular solution to your dilemma was to find a better circle of friends. An anime club, of all things, some 20 years ago. The specific hobby doesn't matter, but having compatible people around helped a lot. I'm almost equally uncomfortable in the classic "party" scenario as I was at 18, but in my current lifestyle that happens maybe once a decade. The rest is filled with socializing, my way. As for putting honesty and other people before yourself... hehe. That's classic lack of social skills and reading cues. Did that - god, that used to do a number on my dating experiences. Sometimes you have to NOT say the first thing that comes to your head. That's the first skill to learn. Second you'll find a small voice inside your head that'll start telling you when you're about to say the wrong thing - start cultivating it. But first of all you need the commitment to actually listen to it, and squash any trace of "but than I won't be the authentic me" excuse.
    - nils-m-holm 4y ago
nikanj 4y ago
Statistics and correlations never apply to individuals. The illustration my stats professor used was: ”We all agree that generally women are shorter than men, but Petey is 5’2” and Claire is 6’
- nils-m-holm 4y ago
  Not arguing about that! Parent described a mechanism, I provided a counterpoint (and clearly marked it as anecdotal).

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