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It wouldn't need to if we just enforced the existing laws at the border.

turtledove 4y ago
Or repealed those laws.
nopenoperope 4y ago
How so? Visa overstays have accounted for the majority of illegal immigration for over a decade now (62% vs 38% for border crossing as of 2019).
- barbacoa 4y ago
  Those are 2019 numbers. There has been a massive upsurge in illegal crossing starting in 2020. Many have attributed that surge to the Biden administration new catch and release policy. People who are caught at the border now are bussed to the closest major city and told to go to immigration court hearing -- which most just skip. https://www.statista.com/chart/20326/mexicans-non-mexcians-apprehended-at-southern-us-border/ https://www.statista.com/chart/20326/mexicans-non-mexcians-a...
michaelbrave 4y ago
hardly anyone actually crosses a border illegally, almost all illegal immigrants came via legal means and stayed beyond the time limits. By almost all I mean literally almost all. The real solution is to hit employers that employ them, as how many people are in this counry illegally has very little to do with actual border control(meaning watching the border).
- ixtli 4y ago
  This simple reality gets overlooked all the time. A large portion of labor in this country is undocumented. The employers, whos existence depends on this and related labor abuses, are rarely if ever held accountable and its the people DOING the work who get abused.
- AnimalMuppet 4y ago
  If nopenoperope can be believed, it was 62% overstays and 38% illegal crossings in 2019. That's the majority, but it's not "literally almost all".
  - michaelbrave 4y ago
    It's hard to measure as those stats are for those who are newly coming and most undocumented immigrants have been here more than 10+ years, also many go under the radar. That said I did make a mistake, I had read somewhere it was above 90% but on searching again it was referring to "non-central america undocumenteds" not all as a whole. But that doesn't change that hardly anyone comes wandering through a desert and climbing over a wall/fence.
doh 4y ago
I'm sorry, but can you expand on this claim? Do you believe that laws are not enforced at the border? Do the agents let anyone in or what is your believe that is happening? Just FYI I live close to the border and go often there and it's swarming with officers, all cars are being checked even when on the US side and crossing the border is quite an ordeal even if you are a citizen forget being an immigrant.
- barbacoa 4y ago
  >>Do the agents let anyone in or what is your believe that is happening? What happens is, Immigrants will come to the border and claim asylum then once they're in the country skip the asylum court hearing. The judge issues a deportation order but by then there is no way to find them.
  - WalterGR 4y ago
    What percentage do that?
    - barbacoa 4y ago
      The 2019 numbers were 90% per the DHS. https://nypost.com/2019/06/11/homeland-security-chief-says-90-of-asylum-seekers-miss-court-dates/ https://nypost.com/2019/06/11/homeland-security-chief-says-9...
      - WalterGR 4y ago
        Sorry, I meant: what percentage of all illegal immigrants do what you describe?
hedora 4y ago
It’s true that we don’t enforce the law at the borders. ICE agents get caught engaging in illegal human rights abuses all the time, but nothing changes. Also, most people that cross at the Mexican border have legitimate asylum claims, but the US has intentionally defunded the judicial system, leading to camps and long wait times. Disbanding / defunding the courts is pretty much the definition of not enforcing the law. However, I’m not sure how ICE warrantlessly surveilling US citizens is related to any of this. Unsolicited tip: If you want to sneak into the US illegally (and don’t want to bother with getting a visa to overstay), then come in along the East Coast, West Coast, Hawaii, Puerto Rico or Canada. Those places don’t have names that sound like “Mexican”, so conservative politicians don’t really bother funding border security for them. Thanks to tourism, this is particularly true of Puerto Rico and Hawaii. This is what the vast majority of illegal immigrants do. Most scenarios where coming in via Mexico makes sense involve intentionally being detained in order to apply for asylum.

Or repealed those laws.

How so? Visa overstays have accounted for the majority of illegal immigration for over a decade now (62% vs 38% for border crossing as of 2019).

barbacoa 4y ago
Those are 2019 numbers. There has been a massive upsurge in illegal crossing starting in 2020. Many have attributed that surge to the Biden administration new catch and release policy. People who are caught at the border now are bussed to the closest major city and told to go to immigration court hearing -- which most just skip. https://www.statista.com/chart/20326/mexicans-non-mexcians-apprehended-at-southern-us-border/ https://www.statista.com/chart/20326/mexicans-non-mexcians-a...

michaelbrave 4y ago

hardly anyone actually crosses a border illegally, almost all illegal immigrants came via legal means and stayed beyond the time limits. By almost all I mean literally almost all. The real solution is to hit employers that employ them, as how many people are in this counry illegally has very little to do with actual border control(meaning watching the border).

ixtli 4y ago
This simple reality gets overlooked all the time. A large portion of labor in this country is undocumented. The employers, whos existence depends on this and related labor abuses, are rarely if ever held accountable and its the people DOING the work who get abused.
AnimalMuppet 4y ago
If nopenoperope can be believed, it was 62% overstays and 38% illegal crossings in 2019. That's the majority, but it's not "literally almost all".
- michaelbrave 4y ago
  It's hard to measure as those stats are for those who are newly coming and most undocumented immigrants have been here more than 10+ years, also many go under the radar. That said I did make a mistake, I had read somewhere it was above 90% but on searching again it was referring to "non-central america undocumenteds" not all as a whole. But that doesn't change that hardly anyone comes wandering through a desert and climbing over a wall/fence.

doh 4y ago

I'm sorry, but can you expand on this claim? Do you believe that laws are not enforced at the border? Do the agents let anyone in or what is your believe that is happening? Just FYI I live close to the border and go often there and it's swarming with officers, all cars are being checked even when on the US side and crossing the border is quite an ordeal even if you are a citizen forget being an immigrant.

barbacoa 4y ago
>>Do the agents let anyone in or what is your believe that is happening? What happens is, Immigrants will come to the border and claim asylum then once they're in the country skip the asylum court hearing. The judge issues a deportation order but by then there is no way to find them.
- WalterGR 4y ago
  What percentage do that?
  - barbacoa 4y ago
    The 2019 numbers were 90% per the DHS. https://nypost.com/2019/06/11/homeland-security-chief-says-90-of-asylum-seekers-miss-court-dates/ https://nypost.com/2019/06/11/homeland-security-chief-says-9...
    - WalterGR 4y ago
      Sorry, I meant: what percentage of all illegal immigrants do what you describe?

hedora 4y ago

It’s true that we don’t enforce the law at the borders. ICE agents get caught engaging in illegal human rights abuses all the time, but nothing changes. Also, most people that cross at the Mexican border have legitimate asylum claims, but the US has intentionally defunded the judicial system, leading to camps and long wait times. Disbanding / defunding the courts is pretty much the definition of not enforcing the law. However, I’m not sure how ICE warrantlessly surveilling US citizens is related to any of this. Unsolicited tip: If you want to sneak into the US illegally (and don’t want to bother with getting a visa to overstay), then come in along the East Coast, West Coast, Hawaii, Puerto Rico or Canada. Those places don’t have names that sound like “Mexican”, so conservative politicians don’t really bother funding border security for them. Thanks to tourism, this is particularly true of Puerto Rico and Hawaii. This is what the vast majority of illegal immigrants do. Most scenarios where coming in via Mexico makes sense involve intentionally being detained in order to apply for asylum.