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One day we'll have the conversation about how the anti-crypto conversation is mostly gross groupthink and at least two or three struggling devrel influencers ar

by abxytg 4y ago

One day we'll have the conversation about how the anti-crypto conversation is mostly gross groupthink and at least two or three struggling devrel influencers are now anti-crypto media darlings. If you're going to push an agenda at least make it one that wasn't handed to you shrink wrapped.

mlyle 4y ago
?? If one isn't all-in on cryptocurrency, it only must be because they're influenced by anti-crypto shills? I've been thinking about digital money for 25 years. I have an early proof-of-work patent. I very much think for myself. I really don't like proof-of-work for ledgers: they're resource intensive and wasteful. I don't really like abrogating the power of states and central banks to mint unbacked currency to various coalitions. And this looks like a scary, poorly regulated asset bubble that may pop with rather extreme effects.
- shaky-carrousel 4y ago
  Defense overspending is wasteful. Plastic wrapping everything is wasteful. Not using public transport is wasteful. People streaming media is wasteful. Proof of work? The entire worldwide bitcoin network uses less power that all the appliances in stand-by mode just in America, and I still have to see someone complaining about how wasteful stand-by mode is. Now, suddenly, the Bitcoin network is wasteful. This is not ecological consciousness. This is Luddism all over again. A bunch of old people scared about the world changing.
  - mirntyfirty 4y ago
    Appliances serve clear purposes for the entire population. I am yet to here of a meaningful Bitcoin purpose, even for the small handful of “investors.”
    - shaky-carrousel 4y ago
      Well, here's a meaningful purpose by yours truly. I live in Spain and in Argentina. I have to regularly send money to Argentina. International transfers to Argentina are really expensive. Also, in Argentina the currency exchange is being manipulated by the government, like what happens in Venezuela. And all transfers have to be at the exchange rate dictated by the government. Except for crypto currencies. They operate in a grey market, not forbidden, not approved. Without bitcoin, I'd have to transfer money at the oficial rate, and I'd have to have another person on the other side filling the endless paperwork they require. With bitcoin (litecoin nowadays, cheaper transactions) it's done in a few hours.
  - mlyle 4y ago
    > Proof of work? The entire worldwide bitcoin network uses less power that all the appliances in stand-by mode just in America, and I still have to see someone complaining about how wasteful stand-by mode is. We've spent tons of money and had massive amounts of regulation and standards over the past couple of decades to try and reduce standby power. It's presently estimated at 5-10% of US power, versus 10-20% a couple decades ago. A relatively big share of it is very old devices. I'm not opposed to distributed ledgers. Proof of stake will be augmented to provide nearly the same level of guarantee as proof of work, without all the power draw.
- abxytg 4y ago
  that is not by any stretch of the imagination what I am saying. I also am very very far from all in on crypto ideologically and financially. The poster above was parroting concerns du jour about bitcoin miners to shit on a policy regarding bitcoin nodes. I'm just saying lets be serious in our critiques.

by abxytg 4y ago

mlyle 4y ago

?? If one isn't all-in on cryptocurrency, it only must be because they're influenced by anti-crypto shills? I've been thinking about digital money for 25 years. I have an early proof-of-work patent. I very much think for myself. I really don't like proof-of-work for ledgers: they're resource intensive and wasteful. I don't really like abrogating the power of states and central banks to mint unbacked currency to various coalitions. And this looks like a scary, poorly regulated asset bubble that may pop with rather extreme effects.

shaky-carrousel 4y ago
Defense overspending is wasteful. Plastic wrapping everything is wasteful. Not using public transport is wasteful. People streaming media is wasteful. Proof of work? The entire worldwide bitcoin network uses less power that all the appliances in stand-by mode just in America, and I still have to see someone complaining about how wasteful stand-by mode is. Now, suddenly, the Bitcoin network is wasteful. This is not ecological consciousness. This is Luddism all over again. A bunch of old people scared about the world changing.
- mirntyfirty 4y ago
  Appliances serve clear purposes for the entire population. I am yet to here of a meaningful Bitcoin purpose, even for the small handful of “investors.”
  - shaky-carrousel 4y ago
    Well, here's a meaningful purpose by yours truly. I live in Spain and in Argentina. I have to regularly send money to Argentina. International transfers to Argentina are really expensive. Also, in Argentina the currency exchange is being manipulated by the government, like what happens in Venezuela. And all transfers have to be at the exchange rate dictated by the government. Except for crypto currencies. They operate in a grey market, not forbidden, not approved. Without bitcoin, I'd have to transfer money at the oficial rate, and I'd have to have another person on the other side filling the endless paperwork they require. With bitcoin (litecoin nowadays, cheaper transactions) it's done in a few hours.
- mlyle 4y ago
  > Proof of work? The entire worldwide bitcoin network uses less power that all the appliances in stand-by mode just in America, and I still have to see someone complaining about how wasteful stand-by mode is. We've spent tons of money and had massive amounts of regulation and standards over the past couple of decades to try and reduce standby power. It's presently estimated at 5-10% of US power, versus 10-20% a couple decades ago. A relatively big share of it is very old devices. I'm not opposed to distributed ledgers. Proof of stake will be augmented to provide nearly the same level of guarantee as proof of work, without all the power draw.
abxytg 4y ago
that is not by any stretch of the imagination what I am saying. I also am very very far from all in on crypto ideologically and financially. The poster above was parroting concerns du jour about bitcoin miners to shit on a policy regarding bitcoin nodes. I'm just saying lets be serious in our critiques.