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Cheap space launches, fast satellite internet and arguably the car company that made EVs a commodity. He also invested a lot of money in the things you mentione

Cheap space launches, fast satellite internet and arguably the car company that made EVs a commodity. He also invested a lot of money in the things you mentioned and, as far as I'm aware, none of those is canceled. He promises a lot, but to say he didn't also achieve a lot would be lying.

hef19898 4y ago
I agree woth Tesla, it accelerated the EV market by a couple of years. Without a model considerably cheaper than 30k USD so Tesla is far from being a commodity. Not sure how much cheaper SpaceX launches are for comparable payloads and orbits. I'd suspect they are, with e.g. Ariane developed for other thongs than LEO launches. As SpaceX isn't public wr don't have any reliable numbers. Based on some old leaked material, it is less than sure whether or not SpaceX is coonsiderably cheaper than the competition. Regardless, SpaceX is impressive. If Starlink is actually sustainable and profitable has to be seen, it could as well just be a way to push SpaceX profitabiliy further down the road through a Starlink IPO. Now way to tell either way.
- Sebb767 4y ago
  > Not sure how much cheaper SpaceX launches are for comparable payloads and orbits. I'd suspect they are, with e.g. Ariane developed for other thongs than LEO launches. The direct competitor to SpaceX is the Space Launch System [0], with a cost of over two billion per launch. SpaceX charges below 100M$ [1] (and has cheaper options available [2]) and you can actually buy it right now (EDIT: although it's true that Ariane is in the same ballpark). > If Starlink is actually sustainable and profitable has to be seen, it could as well just be a way to push SpaceX profitabiliy further down the road through a Starlink IPO. Now way to tell either way. Whether a business can survive in the long term is never 100%. Still, you, as an average consumer, can order a satellite dish and get fast and mostly reliable internet for a reasonable-ish price right now. I'd say that checks as delivered. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_System [1] https://www.spacex.com/media/Capabilities&Services.pdf https://www.spacex.com/media/Capabilities&Services.pdf [2] https://www.spacex.com/rideshare/ https://www.spacex.com/rideshare/
  - hef19898 4y ago
    https://www.seradata.com/arianespace-lowers-ariane-5-launch-price-to-combat-spacex-in-asia-pacific-contest/ https://www.seradata.com/arianespace-lowers-ariane-5-launch-... You forgot Ariane Space. And the 100 million ballpark numbet is for Ariane 5, a rocket initially developed for a European shuttle program and not commercial, cheap satelite launches. Edit: Starlonk is cheaper than alternative satelite provoders. Whether or not this is selling dollars for cents is the question, one that cannot be answered by Starlonk's existence itself.
  - pclmulqdq 4y ago
    SLS is a new rocket and you are comparing its development cost to the launch cost of a SpaceX rocket without its R&D cost. Ariane V, delta, and soyuz launches are all cheaper per kilogram than SpaceX.
    - Sebb767 4y ago
      > SLS is a new rocket and you are comparing its development cost to the launch cost of a SpaceX rocket without its R&D cost. Look on Wikipedia, the sideboard quotes cost per launch as: > Over US$2 billion excluding development (estimate) I'm not aware of the pricing of Soyuz and Ariane V, though.
      - hef19898 4y ago
        >> I'm not aware of the pricing of Soyuz and Ariane V, though. Both of which are much more SpaceX alternatives than SLS.
- Bud 4y ago
  You're "not sure" how much cheaper SpaceX launches are because you clearly and obviously didn't take 10 seconds to research before running your mouth. That info is readily available. You're also understating Tesla's significance. No surprise, I guess.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    Ariane 5 launches are getting close enough to SpaceX in some markets, and Ariane Space is much more open about actual numbers and finacials. Agreed so, these figures are readily available.
andrepd 4y ago
SpaceX isn't that much cheaper than Ariane. Satellite internet existed before Starlink. Electric cars existed before Tesla (of course) and many manufacturers offer more affordable EVs.
- squidbeak 4y ago
  But it is cheaper?

hef19898 4y ago

I agree woth Tesla, it accelerated the EV market by a couple of years. Without a model considerably cheaper than 30k USD so Tesla is far from being a commodity. Not sure how much cheaper SpaceX launches are for comparable payloads and orbits. I'd suspect they are, with e.g. Ariane developed for other thongs than LEO launches. As SpaceX isn't public wr don't have any reliable numbers. Based on some old leaked material, it is less than sure whether or not SpaceX is coonsiderably cheaper than the competition. Regardless, SpaceX is impressive. If Starlink is actually sustainable and profitable has to be seen, it could as well just be a way to push SpaceX profitabiliy further down the road through a Starlink IPO. Now way to tell either way.

Sebb767 4y ago
> Not sure how much cheaper SpaceX launches are for comparable payloads and orbits. I'd suspect they are, with e.g. Ariane developed for other thongs than LEO launches. The direct competitor to SpaceX is the Space Launch System [0], with a cost of over two billion per launch. SpaceX charges below 100M$ [1] (and has cheaper options available [2]) and you can actually buy it right now (EDIT: although it's true that Ariane is in the same ballpark). > If Starlink is actually sustainable and profitable has to be seen, it could as well just be a way to push SpaceX profitabiliy further down the road through a Starlink IPO. Now way to tell either way. Whether a business can survive in the long term is never 100%. Still, you, as an average consumer, can order a satellite dish and get fast and mostly reliable internet for a reasonable-ish price right now. I'd say that checks as delivered. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_System [1] https://www.spacex.com/media/Capabilities&Services.pdf https://www.spacex.com/media/Capabilities&Services.pdf [2] https://www.spacex.com/rideshare/ https://www.spacex.com/rideshare/
- hef19898 4y ago
  https://www.seradata.com/arianespace-lowers-ariane-5-launch-price-to-combat-spacex-in-asia-pacific-contest/ https://www.seradata.com/arianespace-lowers-ariane-5-launch-... You forgot Ariane Space. And the 100 million ballpark numbet is for Ariane 5, a rocket initially developed for a European shuttle program and not commercial, cheap satelite launches. Edit: Starlonk is cheaper than alternative satelite provoders. Whether or not this is selling dollars for cents is the question, one that cannot be answered by Starlonk's existence itself.
- pclmulqdq 4y ago
  SLS is a new rocket and you are comparing its development cost to the launch cost of a SpaceX rocket without its R&D cost. Ariane V, delta, and soyuz launches are all cheaper per kilogram than SpaceX.
  - Sebb767 4y ago
    > SLS is a new rocket and you are comparing its development cost to the launch cost of a SpaceX rocket without its R&D cost. Look on Wikipedia, the sideboard quotes cost per launch as: > Over US$2 billion excluding development (estimate) I'm not aware of the pricing of Soyuz and Ariane V, though.
    - hef19898 4y ago
      >> I'm not aware of the pricing of Soyuz and Ariane V, though. Both of which are much more SpaceX alternatives than SLS.
Bud 4y ago
You're "not sure" how much cheaper SpaceX launches are because you clearly and obviously didn't take 10 seconds to research before running your mouth. That info is readily available. You're also understating Tesla's significance. No surprise, I guess.
- hef19898 4y ago
  Ariane 5 launches are getting close enough to SpaceX in some markets, and Ariane Space is much more open about actual numbers and finacials. Agreed so, these figures are readily available.

andrepd 4y ago

SpaceX isn't that much cheaper than Ariane. Satellite internet existed before Starlink. Electric cars existed before Tesla (of course) and many manufacturers offer more affordable EVs.

squidbeak 4y ago
But it is cheaper?