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Amazing the shift of perspective... How many who voted for Obama (or at least against John McCain) would expect their vote would elect a President who would vi

Amazing the shift of perspective... How many who voted for Obama (or at least against John McCain) would expect their vote would elect a President who would violate the sovereignty of Pakistan with a special forces operation, murder an American citizen without due process, and enter into armed conflict with Libya without the consultation of Congress and eventually assassinate a sitting head of state?

sp332 15y ago
Which head of state did the US assassinate?
- astine 15y ago
  I think he means Gaddafi, but he was killed by Libyans, not Americans.
  - thematt 15y ago
    Perhaps, but there are reports coming out now that a Predator drone fired on his convoy, so the US wasn't exactly hands off.
  - maratd 15y ago
    I don't think the Libyans would have been able to kill him without our help.
    - sp332 15y ago
      Providing material support to a revolution isn't the same thing as an assassination. Due process doesn't apply on a battlefield, but it should apply to a prisoner in custody.
burgerbrain 15y ago
I don't think it's known at this point that Qaddafi was assassinated by the US. The two more common things I'm hearing is that he was either shot by rebels or hit by a NATO air-strike, which is kind of ambiguous.
- Thieum22 15y ago
  First was a French / NATO air strike, then rebels finished the job. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-20/french-air-power-begins-ends-nato-air-campaign-over-libya.html http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-20/french-air-power-be...
loumf 15y ago
Obama specifically said in the 2008 debates that he would go into Pakistan without permission to get Bin Laden http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/flashback-2008-mccain-clinton-slam-obama-for-saying-hed-go-get-bin-laden-in-pakistan-video.php http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/flashback-2008-mc...
rdtsc 15y ago
Those that knew what to look for saw this coming before even he ran for president.. As soon as he voted to give retroactive immunity to telecom companies spying on US citizens, it was clear what stuff he was made from. I still very much admire his propaganda ability. His campaign was amazingly successful. Yes, Bush being Bush helped a lot, but still. The disconnect (even among the intellectual liberals who rabidly supported him) between the perception of who Obama is and who he really is, is amazing (even after all this time). Nobody denies that it is easy to lead and brainwash ignorant masses with fears of 'terrorism', 'communism' & 'homosexuals' but one has to admire the ability to brainwash relatively liberal and intelligent people. Looking back at Obama I will mostly remember him winning the AdAge 'Marketing Campaign Of The Year' award. http://adage.com/article/moy-2008/obama-wins-ad-age-s-marketer-year/131810/ http://adage.com/article/moy-2008/obama-wins-ad-age-s-market... He put Apple, Zappos & Nike to shame. And then him getting the Nobel Peace prize. That was just the cherry on top.

sp332 15y ago

Which head of state did the US assassinate?

astine 15y ago
I think he means Gaddafi, but he was killed by Libyans, not Americans.
- thematt 15y ago
  Perhaps, but there are reports coming out now that a Predator drone fired on his convoy, so the US wasn't exactly hands off.
- maratd 15y ago
  I don't think the Libyans would have been able to kill him without our help.
  - sp332 15y ago
    Providing material support to a revolution isn't the same thing as an assassination. Due process doesn't apply on a battlefield, but it should apply to a prisoner in custody.

burgerbrain 15y ago

I don't think it's known at this point that Qaddafi was assassinated by the US. The two more common things I'm hearing is that he was either shot by rebels or hit by a NATO air-strike, which is kind of ambiguous.

Thieum22 15y ago
First was a French / NATO air strike, then rebels finished the job. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-20/french-air-power-begins-ends-nato-air-campaign-over-libya.html http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-20/french-air-power-be...

loumf 15y ago

Obama specifically said in the 2008 debates that he would go into Pakistan without permission to get Bin Laden http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/flashback-2008-mccain-clinton-slam-obama-for-saying-hed-go-get-bin-laden-in-pakistan-video.php http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/flashback-2008-mc...

rdtsc 15y ago

Those that knew what to look for saw this coming before even he ran for president.. As soon as he voted to give retroactive immunity to telecom companies spying on US citizens, it was clear what stuff he was made from. I still very much admire his propaganda ability. His campaign was amazingly successful. Yes, Bush being Bush helped a lot, but still. The disconnect (even among the intellectual liberals who rabidly supported him) between the perception of who Obama is and who he really is, is amazing (even after all this time). Nobody denies that it is easy to lead and brainwash ignorant masses with fears of 'terrorism', 'communism' & 'homosexuals' but one has to admire the ability to brainwash relatively liberal and intelligent people. Looking back at Obama I will mostly remember him winning the AdAge 'Marketing Campaign Of The Year' award. http://adage.com/article/moy-2008/obama-wins-ad-age-s-marketer-year/131810/ http://adage.com/article/moy-2008/obama-wins-ad-age-s-market... He put Apple, Zappos & Nike to shame. And then him getting the Nobel Peace prize. That was just the cherry on top.