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> Pizza is an American invention (at least as we eat it now). "We" meaning Americans, which are a minuscule part of world population, and a less minuscule but

> Pizza is an American invention (at least as we eat it now). "We" meaning Americans, which are a minuscule part of world population, and a less minuscule but still small amount of world pizza eaters. It's like Venezuelans claiming baseball is a Venezuelan sport. > Italian pizza is a completely different thing and America has spent a lot more time refining the idea of a pizza in the first place so American pizza is more advanced. I see you got confused and used the wrong words. Instead of "refining" you probably should use "defiling", and instead of "advanced" you probably should use "degraded". > So those flat pizzas aren't really what pizza is anymore. I'm afraid the land of deep fried, sugar imbued everything is not in any position to claim what pizza is or is not. This is probably the most blatant case of appropriation I've seen ever. You have every right to take a pizza and pervert it as your pleasure, but to claim that now you make the true pizza is so smug, and so ignorant that it baffles me. As I said in other comment, I don't know why, but it is a typical American trait for some reason, being smugly ignorant. Ignorants are everywhere, but that cultural thing, "we are the best country in the world, the chosen people" that seeps through American culture, makes American ignorants specially smug.

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taylodl 4y ago
Perhaps you're not aware that the number of Italian-Americans is almost half of the population of Italy. My two favorite pizza shops in my town? They're both owned and run by Italian families. This is the norm, not the exception. They even grow their own tomatoes! This isn't always the case for the national pizza chains, but you'll be hard-pressed to find an American claiming these chains are their favorite pizza (sadly, they do exist - but they're not the majority!) It was Italian Americans who developed the New York Slice. It was Sicilians who developed the Chicago Deep Dish. You call it cultural appropriation. I call it immigrants bringing their food with them and further developing it. Does that make pizza American? Well, I've noticed most of what the english-speaking world calls "pizza" is actually a pizza of Italian-American origin, not the Neapolitan pizza hailing from Naples. I think this is what the OP was referring to.
- gpderetta 4y ago
  The pizza that I eat in restaurants in London looks like Italian pizza...
  - taylodl 4y ago
    Things have changed! I did a search of best pizza in London and all the pies pictured, save for one, was definitely Italian pizza. The one that was not was described as US-style. On the plus side - it looks like you have a lot of great pizza available to you! You can even get US-style pizza if you so desire and thank goodness it appears to be my favorite kind of American pizza - the NY slice! (they claim you can get it at Joe Public). I have the opposite problem - getting a bona fide Italian pizza in my part of the world is difficult. Then again, getting a good NY slice is difficult around here. I'm in the U.S. Midwest and our local pizza options are dominated by the Chicago style, Detroit style, and Columbus style. But the NY style and Italian styles are my favorites! You've got it made, mate!

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taylodl 4y ago

Perhaps you're not aware that the number of Italian-Americans is almost half of the population of Italy. My two favorite pizza shops in my town? They're both owned and run by Italian families. This is the norm, not the exception. They even grow their own tomatoes! This isn't always the case for the national pizza chains, but you'll be hard-pressed to find an American claiming these chains are their favorite pizza (sadly, they do exist - but they're not the majority!) It was Italian Americans who developed the New York Slice. It was Sicilians who developed the Chicago Deep Dish. You call it cultural appropriation. I call it immigrants bringing their food with them and further developing it. Does that make pizza American? Well, I've noticed most of what the english-speaking world calls "pizza" is actually a pizza of Italian-American origin, not the Neapolitan pizza hailing from Naples. I think this is what the OP was referring to.

gpderetta 4y ago
The pizza that I eat in restaurants in London looks like Italian pizza...
- taylodl 4y ago
  Things have changed! I did a search of best pizza in London and all the pies pictured, save for one, was definitely Italian pizza. The one that was not was described as US-style. On the plus side - it looks like you have a lot of great pizza available to you! You can even get US-style pizza if you so desire and thank goodness it appears to be my favorite kind of American pizza - the NY slice! (they claim you can get it at Joe Public). I have the opposite problem - getting a bona fide Italian pizza in my part of the world is difficult. Then again, getting a good NY slice is difficult around here. I'm in the U.S. Midwest and our local pizza options are dominated by the Chicago style, Detroit style, and Columbus style. But the NY style and Italian styles are my favorites! You've got it made, mate!