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I mean it's really not cultural appropriation. Pizza is one of the great American inventions. It was brought over by Italian immigrants and evolved into a main

I mean it's really not cultural appropriation. Pizza is one of the great American inventions. It was brought over by Italian immigrants and evolved into a main stream staple served the world over, and that's based on the American Pizza, not the Italian one. Hot dogs are similar in that way.

dcx 4y ago
Sorry, but this is absolutely false. The US was not the only country to receive immigrants during the two Italian diasporas [1], and so you are not the only country to develop a taste for Italian cuisine. Australian pizza descends directly from the Italian style. We do have the American style as well, but it's a minority preference. Our pizza usually looks like this [2]. It's also notable that Starbucks failed to make a dent here [3], because our coffee culture is truer to its Italian roots than yours. Given the circumstances in which this happened here, it stretches credulity to imagine that the preferences for pizza across Western Europe, South America, and Africa have been filtered through American preferences when Italians have been there making pizza for just as long. Please check your exceptionalism, thanks. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_diaspora#Statistics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_diaspora#Statistics [2] https://www.idealista.it/en/news/lifestyle-italy/2019/06/10/2491-most-popular-authentic-italian-pizzas https://www.idealista.it/en/news/lifestyle-italy/2019/06/10/... [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/20/starbucks-australia-coffee-failure.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/20/starbucks-australia-coffee-f...
tigershark 4y ago
No, you have really no idea about what you are speaking about. Doing a proper pizza is quite difficult, all the botched attempts around the world look very similar and are just an awful subpar imitation that you call pizza.
xorcist 4y ago
In which other countries would people think of "pizza" as the American style? Maybe two or three in Southeast Asia. Maybe Canada, but they're weird and mostly their own thing. Don't know anything about Africa, but I would guess they're more like the rest of the world. Almost all countries have their own variations of pizza. It's a lovely dish.
silviot 4y ago
I'm really, honestly curious what reasons you have to believe this. I can't imagine any. It is so much different from my view and the view of the people I usually talk to, that I can't fathom where it comes from. Is it something you read, something you saw on youtube, your experience travelling to some countries? How do you base your assertions? I'm honestly lost and I'd like to understand. How can you assert that "Pizza served all over the world is based on the American Pizza, not the Italian one"?

dcx 4y ago

Sorry, but this is absolutely false. The US was not the only country to receive immigrants during the two Italian diasporas [1], and so you are not the only country to develop a taste for Italian cuisine. Australian pizza descends directly from the Italian style. We do have the American style as well, but it's a minority preference. Our pizza usually looks like this [2]. It's also notable that Starbucks failed to make a dent here [3], because our coffee culture is truer to its Italian roots than yours. Given the circumstances in which this happened here, it stretches credulity to imagine that the preferences for pizza across Western Europe, South America, and Africa have been filtered through American preferences when Italians have been there making pizza for just as long. Please check your exceptionalism, thanks. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_diaspora#Statistics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_diaspora#Statistics [2] https://www.idealista.it/en/news/lifestyle-italy/2019/06/10/2491-most-popular-authentic-italian-pizzas https://www.idealista.it/en/news/lifestyle-italy/2019/06/10/... [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/20/starbucks-australia-coffee-failure.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/20/starbucks-australia-coffee-f...

tigershark 4y ago

No, you have really no idea about what you are speaking about. Doing a proper pizza is quite difficult, all the botched attempts around the world look very similar and are just an awful subpar imitation that you call pizza.

xorcist 4y ago

In which other countries would people think of "pizza" as the American style? Maybe two or three in Southeast Asia. Maybe Canada, but they're weird and mostly their own thing. Don't know anything about Africa, but I would guess they're more like the rest of the world. Almost all countries have their own variations of pizza. It's a lovely dish.

silviot 4y ago

I'm really, honestly curious what reasons you have to believe this. I can't imagine any. It is so much different from my view and the view of the people I usually talk to, that I can't fathom where it comes from. Is it something you read, something you saw on youtube, your experience travelling to some countries? How do you base your assertions? I'm honestly lost and I'd like to understand. How can you assert that "Pizza served all over the world is based on the American Pizza, not the Italian one"?