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Pretty crazy story. That dragon mechanic which brought up a 20 year old serverwide honor code of not ruining the game by defeating the final boss. Quite a few q

Pretty crazy story. That dragon mechanic which brought up a 20 year old serverwide honor code of not ruining the game by defeating the final boss. Quite a few questions unanswered, so do people restart a new server fresh? Are their characters 20 years old? I can't imagine having to play a server for 20 years and have it reset.

mwnivek 4y ago
It sounds like the game content is 20+ years old, but the server was started < 3 years ago.
- masklinn 4y ago
  That is correct. On the official servers the event ran way back then (the extension was released in December 2000, the first Sleeper was freed in summer 2001). Only one official server never released the sleeper. Interestingly, one server managed to kill the sleeper.
  - Apocryphon 4y ago
    Here's a good account of what happened as any: https://massivelyop.com/2022/04/04/the-game-archaeologist-when-everquest-players-killed-the-unkillable-sleeper/ https://massivelyop.com/2022/04/04/the-game-archaeologist-wh... And apparently there was an earlier attempt made by a Taiwanese guild prior to the Rallos Zek expedition: https://blog.summercat.com/the-killing-of-kerafyrm-the-sleeper.html https://blog.summercat.com/the-killing-of-kerafyrm-the-sleep...
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- baby 4y ago
  title bait ;_;
Fnoord 4y ago
TLDR: People with different agendas organized within a powerful structire to do something selfish at the expense of the rest of the community. In a way race to world first works like this if thst is the level you aim for. If you play for loot, game is done once you are BiS. Now people cannot get BiS anymore. I'm not sure if its a good design decision. Its a bald one, for sure. It ruins everyone's 'fun'. Though it would seem this type of grind isn't fun, hence why its botted and regarded as second job.
- yreg 4y ago
  Perhaps it ruins your fun if you don't like this kind of games – that is okay. But don't pretend it ruins everyone's fun. Look how many people love Rust or EVE Online.
- nextlevelwizard 4y ago
  I'd argue this kind of event doesn't ruin anything. Maybe on this very specific server where they are deliberately playing without any future, but in the game it self if you know that you are going to release more expansions having this kind of epic send off is cool as hell. Think of World of Warcraft. Sure there is the "race to world first", but how much cooler would it be if there was one boss that could only be killed once? Yeah, maybe that wouldn't make much sense now when people actually make a living off of playing the game, so that would push out most people from even attempting to get the rare kill, but at least it would have consequences in the game instead of just waiting until next week to kill the same big-bad-guy again.
  - Fnoord 4y ago
    WoW is a theme park MMO, and exclusive content for hardcore players exists as long as 1) it does not take too much time to develop 2) it is inclusive enough 3) it is minor. So Yog + 0, Sinestra and Ra-den worked, for example, and a highest difficulty also works but having raiding as a whole exclusive before a massive grind is no longer acceptable. And usually the mythic only mechanics are an after thought. There is no way I as working human being can compete with MMORPG players who have no life. But I sure as hell am not going to finance them with my sub. But Blizz and I have different goals anyway. They want me to stay subbed. I want to complete certain content on a certain difficulty (one below the highest) and then quit, doing something novel/fun/useful instead of doing the same shit over and over and over again (or die trying). Because ever since they removed lockout on gear (start of M+ dungeons) the game has become too no-life-friendly. I cannot compete with such. The comparison is moot though. Cannot defeat the Lich King? You can see the cinematic at the very least. But that is the only result. The one where a boss can only be defeated once would increase realm community perhaps. But even the top 100 guilds per faction achievement did not pan out to improve faction balance.
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markus_zhang 4y ago
Why don't they blame the developers?
- masklinn 4y ago
  Why would they blame the developers?
- Rastonbury 4y ago
  They are playing a version with only 2 expansions, there have been 28 expansions since launch. They must like that version
- _ZeD_ 4y ago
  for what?
  - markus_zhang 4y ago
    For creating a one-time event. I mean if they blame other players taking out this one time event for sure they should also blame whoever created it, no?
    - JohnClark1337 4y ago

mwnivek 4y ago

It sounds like the game content is 20+ years old, but the server was started < 3 years ago.

masklinn 4y ago
That is correct. On the official servers the event ran way back then (the extension was released in December 2000, the first Sleeper was freed in summer 2001). Only one official server never released the sleeper. Interestingly, one server managed to kill the sleeper.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  Here's a good account of what happened as any: https://massivelyop.com/2022/04/04/the-game-archaeologist-when-everquest-players-killed-the-unkillable-sleeper/ https://massivelyop.com/2022/04/04/the-game-archaeologist-wh... And apparently there was an earlier attempt made by a Taiwanese guild prior to the Rallos Zek expedition: https://blog.summercat.com/the-killing-of-kerafyrm-the-sleeper.html https://blog.summercat.com/the-killing-of-kerafyrm-the-sleep...
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baby 4y ago
title bait ;_;

Fnoord 4y ago

TLDR: People with different agendas organized within a powerful structire to do something selfish at the expense of the rest of the community. In a way race to world first works like this if thst is the level you aim for. If you play for loot, game is done once you are BiS. Now people cannot get BiS anymore. I'm not sure if its a good design decision. Its a bald one, for sure. It ruins everyone's 'fun'. Though it would seem this type of grind isn't fun, hence why its botted and regarded as second job.

yreg 4y ago
Perhaps it ruins your fun if you don't like this kind of games – that is okay. But don't pretend it ruins everyone's fun. Look how many people love Rust or EVE Online.
nextlevelwizard 4y ago
I'd argue this kind of event doesn't ruin anything. Maybe on this very specific server where they are deliberately playing without any future, but in the game it self if you know that you are going to release more expansions having this kind of epic send off is cool as hell. Think of World of Warcraft. Sure there is the "race to world first", but how much cooler would it be if there was one boss that could only be killed once? Yeah, maybe that wouldn't make much sense now when people actually make a living off of playing the game, so that would push out most people from even attempting to get the rare kill, but at least it would have consequences in the game instead of just waiting until next week to kill the same big-bad-guy again.
- Fnoord 4y ago
  WoW is a theme park MMO, and exclusive content for hardcore players exists as long as 1) it does not take too much time to develop 2) it is inclusive enough 3) it is minor. So Yog + 0, Sinestra and Ra-den worked, for example, and a highest difficulty also works but having raiding as a whole exclusive before a massive grind is no longer acceptable. And usually the mythic only mechanics are an after thought. There is no way I as working human being can compete with MMORPG players who have no life. But I sure as hell am not going to finance them with my sub. But Blizz and I have different goals anyway. They want me to stay subbed. I want to complete certain content on a certain difficulty (one below the highest) and then quit, doing something novel/fun/useful instead of doing the same shit over and over and over again (or die trying). Because ever since they removed lockout on gear (start of M+ dungeons) the game has become too no-life-friendly. I cannot compete with such. The comparison is moot though. Cannot defeat the Lich King? You can see the cinematic at the very least. But that is the only result. The one where a boss can only be defeated once would increase realm community perhaps. But even the top 100 guilds per faction achievement did not pan out to improve faction balance.

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markus_zhang 4y ago

Why don't they blame the developers?

masklinn 4y ago
Why would they blame the developers?
Rastonbury 4y ago
They are playing a version with only 2 expansions, there have been 28 expansions since launch. They must like that version
_ZeD_ 4y ago
for what?
- markus_zhang 4y ago
  For creating a one-time event. I mean if they blame other players taking out this one time event for sure they should also blame whoever created it, no?
  - JohnClark1337 4y ago