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People living in gated communities have a higher perceived level of crime [1] than those who don't so it's not that surprising that the more isolated you are, t

People living in gated communities have a higher perceived level of crime [1] than those who don't so it's not that surprising that the more isolated you are, the more you see the rest of world as dangerous [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042812003758 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S187704281...

pojzon 4y ago
It may be true OR the world crime rates are increasing, dense population causes violance and ppl are just realistic and want to avoid problems. The later in USA is not hard to see even as a foreigner.
- trinovantes 4y ago
  Maybe absolute number of cases but I highly doubt crime per capita is higher in denser locations. If anything, dense population should deter crime. I suspect it's harder to break into a home or kidnap someone when there are more people around to see or hear.
  - pojzon 4y ago
    This highly depends whether you count Riots as crime or not.
    - woodruffw 4y ago
      This is a bizarre view. Even if you go 100% reactionary and treat every 2020 protest as a "riot," the entire year pales in comparison to a single riot in a single neighborhood during the 1960s[1]. Our modern protests (including the "violent" ones) are downright bucolic. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_riots
elzbardico 4y ago
A study in Malaysia found that result. It is very strange to automatically assume this is universal. Have you ever been to SE Asia?
- trinovantes 4y ago
  That was just the first paper I found when I searched for gated communities and perceived crime It's a widely studied phenomenon. Here's a paper back in 2000 [1] about "a high-income gated community and a public housing gated community in Orange and Los Angeles counties, California" and the conclusion is basically the same. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/00139160021972694 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/001391600219726...
lelanthran 4y ago
> People living in gated communities have a higher perceived level of crime [1] than those who don't so it's not that surprising that the more isolated you are, the more you see the rest of world as dangerous Okay, their perception of crime is higher than it should be. What about the level of crime inside vs outside of the gated community? It really doesn't matter if someone thinks that there are 4 rapes per second outside of their bubble, if the rate inside the bubble is significantly lower than the rate outside the bubble. Thinking that it is 4 rapes per second when the actual number is 4 rapes per month is irrelevant when there are 4 rapes per decade inside the bubble. IOW, you are not making any point worth discussing. I don't care whether my perception of crime outside of my bubble is higher than the actual crime outside of my bubble, I care whether it is more dangerous outside of my bubble than inside.
- trinovantes 4y ago
  In this study [1] in California, they've found no difference in actual crime but the gated community believed they were safer than the outside. [1] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/00139160021972694 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/001391600219726...
  - lelanthran 4y ago
    > In this study [1] in California, they've found no difference in actual crime but the gated community believed they were safer than the outside. Not quite; they found that the crime rate as reported by the respondents to the survey did not differ. They did not look at the actual crimes reported to the law enforcement agencies. We already know that people perceive the crime rate inaccurately; asking respondents what the crime rate is, is pointless.
    - trinovantes 4y ago
      > They did not look at the actual crimes reported to the law enforcement agencies. Where are you reading this? Page 8 of the study says they got their actual crime data from the Newport Beach Police Department and the Los Angeles Police Department. They compared this to their comparative perceived safety "by asking how safe the respondents felt their community was as compared to other communities." Page 10: "The gated community showed a significantly higher rating of comparative community safety as compared with the nongated community" whereas "there was no significant difference in the per capita crime rate for the gated community as compared with the nongated community."

pojzon 4y ago

It may be true OR the world crime rates are increasing, dense population causes violance and ppl are just realistic and want to avoid problems. The later in USA is not hard to see even as a foreigner.

trinovantes 4y ago
Maybe absolute number of cases but I highly doubt crime per capita is higher in denser locations. If anything, dense population should deter crime. I suspect it's harder to break into a home or kidnap someone when there are more people around to see or hear.
- pojzon 4y ago
  This highly depends whether you count Riots as crime or not.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    This is a bizarre view. Even if you go 100% reactionary and treat every 2020 protest as a "riot," the entire year pales in comparison to a single riot in a single neighborhood during the 1960s[1]. Our modern protests (including the "violent" ones) are downright bucolic. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_riots

elzbardico 4y ago

A study in Malaysia found that result. It is very strange to automatically assume this is universal. Have you ever been to SE Asia?

trinovantes 4y ago
That was just the first paper I found when I searched for gated communities and perceived crime It's a widely studied phenomenon. Here's a paper back in 2000 [1] about "a high-income gated community and a public housing gated community in Orange and Los Angeles counties, California" and the conclusion is basically the same. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/00139160021972694 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/001391600219726...

lelanthran 4y ago

> People living in gated communities have a higher perceived level of crime [1] than those who don't so it's not that surprising that the more isolated you are, the more you see the rest of world as dangerous Okay, their perception of crime is higher than it should be. What about the level of crime inside vs outside of the gated community? It really doesn't matter if someone thinks that there are 4 rapes per second outside of their bubble, if the rate inside the bubble is significantly lower than the rate outside the bubble. Thinking that it is 4 rapes per second when the actual number is 4 rapes per month is irrelevant when there are 4 rapes per decade inside the bubble. IOW, you are not making any point worth discussing. I don't care whether my perception of crime outside of my bubble is higher than the actual crime outside of my bubble, I care whether it is more dangerous outside of my bubble than inside.

trinovantes 4y ago
In this study [1] in California, they've found no difference in actual crime but the gated community believed they were safer than the outside. [1] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/00139160021972694 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/001391600219726...
- lelanthran 4y ago
  > In this study [1] in California, they've found no difference in actual crime but the gated community believed they were safer than the outside. Not quite; they found that the crime rate as reported by the respondents to the survey did not differ. They did not look at the actual crimes reported to the law enforcement agencies. We already know that people perceive the crime rate inaccurately; asking respondents what the crime rate is, is pointless.
  - trinovantes 4y ago
    > They did not look at the actual crimes reported to the law enforcement agencies. Where are you reading this? Page 8 of the study says they got their actual crime data from the Newport Beach Police Department and the Los Angeles Police Department. They compared this to their comparative perceived safety "by asking how safe the respondents felt their community was as compared to other communities." Page 10: "The gated community showed a significantly higher rating of comparative community safety as compared with the nongated community" whereas "there was no significant difference in the per capita crime rate for the gated community as compared with the nongated community."