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for those who do not have old pipes to use, most of us have coax, there is something called MOCA, simply go onto amazon or whatever and search. it allows you to
by zw123456 4y ago
for those who do not have old pipes to use, most of us have coax, there is something called MOCA, simply go onto amazon or whatever and search. it allows you to run your ethernet over the cable tv coax in your house "over the top" of any cable tv you have runnning on it. cable uses the first 800Mhz of spectrum on the coax, moca rides above 1ghz so they can coexist. You can extend ethernet from any coax outlet to any other coax outlet. not hole punching, not central vacuum or whatever.
- ranger207 4y agoWow, running Ethernet over coax like it's the 80s again. Nothing new under the sun I guess
- zw123456 4y agoYa, well, Moca 3 is pretty new BTW, and it's not your mommy's ethernet over coax, you are thinking of old timey ieee802.3 this is full on OFDM modulation over coax, RF'ey stuff like Docis. Fios uses this to get your signal in over your house cabling. I use it to get my mm-wave 5G 2Gbps signal from my antenna on my garage over the same coax my cable TV runs on to my lab in my basement and have a wifi AP for the rest of the place. Ya, sorry, I stream but I still like my cable, shrug :)
- bregma 4y agoEverything but the termination.
- zw123456 4y agohttps://www.ieee802.org/3/ethernet_diag.html https://www.ieee802.org/3/ethernet_diag.html very famous diagram !
- gabereiser 4y agoThere is also Ethernet over powerline via powerline adapters. I run these in my apartment. From the router you plug a “host” adapter into an outlet, plug in the ethernet cable. Now you have a source. Throughout the rest of the apartment or house you plug-in a receiving adapter (there’s a little sync button to sync it to the host) and plug in an ethernet cable as an output. Plug that into a small switch if you need more connections. Repeat throughout your home. It’s just as cool as MOCA.
- zw123456 4y agoyup although not sure you get the speeds you get with MOCA 3 ? 10Gbps ! :)
- gabereiser 4y agoOh for sure there’s no way I’m getting those speeds. I don’t have that need though. A simple 1Gbps is enough for me. While advertised as 1Gbps adapters, I get at max 800Mbps which is fine. I don’t suffer from stuttering or packet loss as reported by others. I also don’t have a bunch of RF interference as reported by others. So I’m happy with them and will continue to use them.
- KennyBlanken 4y agoEthernet over powerline adapters cause enormous RF interference for HAM radio operators. Please do not use them.
- gabereiser 4y agoReally? Because I have an ICOM transceiver and have no interference at all.
- fluctor 4y agoMight depend on your shack/feedline/antenna location, too. As in every other part of ham radio, YMMV.
- Johnythree 4y agoIt very much depends what band/frequency you are listening on. An Icom TRX could be HF, VHF, or UHF. And of course it will depend where your antenna is.
- hackcasual 4y agoI would choose MOCA over Powerline. Powerline trips AFCI breakers, is really sensitive to other devices and wiring quality, add even in best conditions seems to perform worse (in my experience).
- girvo 4y ago> You can extend ethernet from any coax outlet to any other coax outlet. not hole punching, not central vacuum or whatever. Man that would be perfect, except the main coax is already being used for my internet as is. I wish HFC for the NBN would hurry up and die already.
- DenseComet 4y agoMoCA and cable internet use different frequencies so you can still use them. I'm currently using those adapters with comcast.
- girvo 4y agoInteresting. I'll look into it and see whether it's possible. While my highly-tuned Wifi 6 setup at home is honestly quite excellent (even for my competitive FPS gaming needs, and even wireless VR has been brilliant), it would be nice to ditch it for higher reliability. Problem is, I'm pretty sure my rental has a single coax socket for cable TV (which is used for my NBN internet connection now). I'll have a look though!
- danachow 4y agoAlso Ethernet to bridging MoCA does add on about 3-5ms of latency round trip. Whether this is of any concern is another thing, it probably isn’t for most - but it is something to know.
- zw123456 4y agoAs I mentioned in the top post that it runs over the top of docis which is what the cablecos use which is 800Mhz and below and Moca is above 1Ghz so they coexist.
- girvo 4y agoYeah fair enough, though I think the bigger challenge for me is that most places I've lived in, in Australia, have a single cable connection point in the lounge room and that's it (for Foxtel). Though I'm going to check!
- einichi 4y agoI had no idea MOCA existed. Thanks for this.
- zw123456 4y agoGood Point, I bet a lot of people are not aware of it as an option, I just submitted this link as new https://www.techreviewer.com/tech-answers/moca-vs-ethernet https://www.techreviewer.com/tech-answers/moca-vs-ethernet I think it is a pretty decent review of the pro's and con's of using Ethernet cable vs. Ethernet cable. Perhaps others not reading this thread could also benefit from the knowledge.
- walterbell 4y agoYes, thank you. Ordered -70db MoCA point-of-entry filter for $5.
- nvgeele 4y agoIf you do already have telephone and/or coax cabling in your home, it might be easier in the long run to just replace it to be honest. Ethernet sockets and cables are cheap, and don't consume power. I was looking into MOCA, but eventually I decided against it due to pricing and latency concerns. In the end, I opened up the coax socket at my router, tied an ethernet cable to the coax cable, went to my office (room above the room where the router is), opened up the coax socket, pulled out the coax cable, and voila, I now had an ethernet cable in the duct.
- occoder 4y agoAnd you don't even have to lose the coax cabling. If you tie two ethernet cables to the coax cable, pull them both through the duct, you can then pull the coax cable back in place.
- vetinari 4y agoIt's not that simple everywhere, We have brick walls, replacing cables means lot of dust and repairing those opened walls... provided you don't damage anything already there. So here I'm feeling adventurous for pushing 10 GbE over a run of Cat5E for the next decade or more.
- nvgeele 4y agoTrue, although if you are lucky your cables run through cable ducts. My house was built in 1935 and has brick walls as well, but all cables run through plastic cable ducts embedded in the walls. Where I'm from this is very common, as virtually all housing has brick (or concrete) walls.
- ridgered4 4y agoUnfortunately, I bet a lot of this kind of cable is stapled down along the run. And with enough twist and turns I'm not confident the existing wire wouldn't break while being pulled, even without the staples.
- keeganpoppen 4y agooh man this is why i read HN; i had no idea that this existed-- somehow-- and am the kind of person that runs ethernet cables all over the house rather than compromise in any way (powerline SUCKS ASS); and also i happen to currently live in a house with 1.2 trillion coax jacks, but no cat5/6 wiring to speak of, so this seems like it completely solves my problem in the best possible way. i don't know if i could possibly be more excited than this (i wish i were kidding more than i am). yeah, sure, if i got a bunch of really fancy wireless equipment, that could probably swing it too, but would also require getting new WiFi cards to actually be able to take advantage.
- zw123456 4y agoI learn about in the last house I had which was in FiOS (fiber) available area and I of course ordered it and when they were installing it I asked the guy a bunch of questions and one was "who are you getting the signal across my Cable TV Coax" and he told me they were using MoCa so I googled it later and thought wow, that's interesting. Then Later I moved to this place and there is no FiOS but I have mm-wave 5G (2Gbps) but there was no Ethernet cable in the house so I thought, hey, I know, I will use that MoCa thing, and it worked like a charm, got my signal from the CPE antenna unit mounted on my Garage (best signal) down to my lab in my basement.
- Geezus-42 4y agoMake sure you put a filter on the outside of your house if it is hooked to the cable system so you don't create feedback and screw everyone else around you who are using the cable system.
- fuzzygroup 4y agoFor what its worth, I saw this comment and bought Moca hardware (ScreenBeam Bonded). Ten minutes of setup later after an Amazon delivery and I'm happier with Netflix / Prime / Hulu / etc. There is literally no comparison on the performance I'm now getting. I have Fiber to the house and then an Eero first generation to provide Wifi. I also have an AmpliFi HD. And we still had regular (3x per week) problems with streaming video. THANK YOU !!!!
- saagarjha 4y agoI learned about MoCA from this thread too. Placed an order the next day and set it up today morning, and now my desk downstairs has a direct wired connection running at full speed, all the way across the house. This was an incredible solution for my needs!