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They want to get rid of it because the inside of a smartphone is very space constrained and they can use that space for other things. Considering you can use a

They want to get rid of it because the inside of a smartphone is very space constrained and they can use that space for other things. Considering you can use a lightning or usb c to 3.5mm with a built in DAC that sounds as good or better than the ones they were putting in the phones, the 3.5mm jack was pretty redundant.

rendaw 4y ago
I mean, they've had enough space inside to keep it until now...
- ReactiveJelly 4y ago
  No, I like this idea. Strip the phone down to the bare minimum. Obviously they just want me to buy a separate pocket PC instead, and only use the phone for emergency calls and businesses that don't have websites. Back to the dumb-phone days.
  - mingus88 4y ago
    Not sure if you're joking but I bought a media player and a point-and-shoot camera within the past few years. I wanted to reduce the influence of a smartphone on my life. They're both next level when compared the the capabilities of a smartphone. The camera has Zeiss lenses, has amazing optical zoom, all kinds of manual and automatic modes, and takes far better night shots than any phone. The media player's battery lasts weeks, plays every file type, and has actual hardware playback buttons and a volume knob. Oh, and it drives all kinds of nice headphones perfectly well. And neither of these devices interrupts me with notifications or demands any amount of my attention. I don't think I'll get another smartphone until I absolutely have no choice. It's better for my mental health anyway to not have some magic device that I rely on for everything and I can't stop pulling out of my pocket whenever my brain needs stimulation.
    - zimpenfish 4y ago
      > And neither of these devices interrupts me with notifications Not to take away from your valid experience but my phone doesn't interrupt me with notifications because I turned off everything I am not 100% bothered about (which leaves just a couple of messengers, phone calls, and bank transaction notifications) and all those are silenced 2000-0800 (or during workouts.)
  - 8note 4y ago
    Phones are bigger without the headphone jack though. Dumb phones had headphone jacks
dorfsmay 4y ago
I'll take the lack of space from 3.5mm jack inside the phone over the headaches and awkwardness of an external device (which now I also have to pay for)!
InvertedRhodium 4y ago
I know of at least one YouTube channel that added one back into the original iPhone that removed it, so I'm not sure how much "necessity" can explain it away.
vondro 4y ago
Yeah, well when they removed the headphone jack on iPhone 7, which has the same shape and dimensions as iPhone 6, it turned out they just put some piece of plastic in the place where previously the jack was. Youtube channel Strange Parts managed to implement working headphone jack on iphone7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfbE3_uAMA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfbE3_uAMA So I call BS on space constrains, I call BS on waterproofing (waterproofed phones with 3.5mm jack exist). Conveniently, when Apple released iPhone 7, they also released 1st gen AirPods :-)
thefz 4y ago
> They want to get rid of it because the inside of a smartphone is very space constrained and they can use that space for other things. Then stop trying to make paper thin personal devices. I think the industry is hostage of some "visionaries" thinking hey will eventually make movie-like holo devices with no need for electronics, while the reality of engineering is much more complex and laden with trade-offs.

rendaw 4y ago

I mean, they've had enough space inside to keep it until now...

ReactiveJelly 4y ago
No, I like this idea. Strip the phone down to the bare minimum. Obviously they just want me to buy a separate pocket PC instead, and only use the phone for emergency calls and businesses that don't have websites. Back to the dumb-phone days.
- mingus88 4y ago
  Not sure if you're joking but I bought a media player and a point-and-shoot camera within the past few years. I wanted to reduce the influence of a smartphone on my life. They're both next level when compared the the capabilities of a smartphone. The camera has Zeiss lenses, has amazing optical zoom, all kinds of manual and automatic modes, and takes far better night shots than any phone. The media player's battery lasts weeks, plays every file type, and has actual hardware playback buttons and a volume knob. Oh, and it drives all kinds of nice headphones perfectly well. And neither of these devices interrupts me with notifications or demands any amount of my attention. I don't think I'll get another smartphone until I absolutely have no choice. It's better for my mental health anyway to not have some magic device that I rely on for everything and I can't stop pulling out of my pocket whenever my brain needs stimulation.
  - zimpenfish 4y ago
    > And neither of these devices interrupts me with notifications Not to take away from your valid experience but my phone doesn't interrupt me with notifications because I turned off everything I am not 100% bothered about (which leaves just a couple of messengers, phone calls, and bank transaction notifications) and all those are silenced 2000-0800 (or during workouts.)
- 8note 4y ago
  Phones are bigger without the headphone jack though. Dumb phones had headphone jacks

dorfsmay 4y ago

I'll take the lack of space from 3.5mm jack inside the phone over the headaches and awkwardness of an external device (which now I also have to pay for)!

InvertedRhodium 4y ago

I know of at least one YouTube channel that added one back into the original iPhone that removed it, so I'm not sure how much "necessity" can explain it away.

vondro 4y ago

Yeah, well when they removed the headphone jack on iPhone 7, which has the same shape and dimensions as iPhone 6, it turned out they just put some piece of plastic in the place where previously the jack was. Youtube channel Strange Parts managed to implement working headphone jack on iphone7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfbE3_uAMA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfbE3_uAMA So I call BS on space constrains, I call BS on waterproofing (waterproofed phones with 3.5mm jack exist). Conveniently, when Apple released iPhone 7, they also released 1st gen AirPods :-)

thefz 4y ago

> They want to get rid of it because the inside of a smartphone is very space constrained and they can use that space for other things. Then stop trying to make paper thin personal devices. I think the industry is hostage of some "visionaries" thinking hey will eventually make movie-like holo devices with no need for electronics, while the reality of engineering is much more complex and laden with trade-offs.