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Other alternatives I've found to work are Ethernet over power (varies depending on how well your house is wired though) and ethernet over coax using MoCA adapte

Other alternatives I've found to work are Ethernet over power (varies depending on how well your house is wired though) and ethernet over coax using MoCA adapters (if your house was previously wired with coax for cable TV these work great)

bin_bash 4y ago
MoCA adapters are crazy expensive though
- mason55 4y ago
  It's true but you might not need that many. Our house was built in 2000 and every room is wired with coax but no ethernet. With some strategic placement I was able to get a hardwired switch in my office + two hardwired wifi APs with just two MoCA adapters - $300 well spent. It would be pretty expensive to turn every coax run in my house into a hardwired ethernet switch but well placed hardwired APs obviates the need to do that.
  - chrisweekly 4y ago
    Yeah; I'm about to upgrade the backhaul on my Orbi mesh system to be wired, via extant coax nodes in good locations.
- themitigating 4y ago
  A gocoax 1gbit is $60
  - ILMostro7 4y ago
    But you need (at least) two, in order to be useful at all.
    - themitigating 4y ago
      Hi, yes that's true but to compare pricing you need to think of the cost of cat6 cable, which isn't much. Also the time to run the cable. This is assuming you have coax rg6 or better already in the wall
- chime 4y ago
  Hard to compare what "crazy" expensive is but I bought a pair of these for $90 https://amazon.com/dp/B01MRV4WA1 https://amazon.com/dp/B01MRV4WA1. For the 3 places in my house I wanted to wire with Ethernet, I was done under $300. Patching drywall, paint touch-ups, new cables, and the overall time and headache would have cost a lot more. I was done in a matter of minutes using old coax and these adapters. In my case, I didn't build a MoCA network, just used these devices point-to-point. If you go full MoCA, think of it like a distributed hub - no switching, no routing, no security. In fact you should put filters to prevent neighbors from listening in using their own MoCA adapters. For me, point-to-point worked. YMMV but Ethernet over Coax is definitely worth looking into for upto 1gbps speed, which is plenty for wifi, netflix etc.
  - walterbell 4y ago
    > In fact you should put filters to prevent neighbors from listening in using their own MoCA adapters. Wow. Who knew that inbound cable internet has outbound data capability? Thanks for posting. Is this a suitable filter (-70db)? https://www.amazon.com/GLP-1G70CWWS-Filter-Eliminate-Multi-Room-Interference/dp/B08HJ4F4D4 https://www.amazon.com/GLP-1G70CWWS-Filter-Eliminate-Multi-R...
    - trelane 4y ago
      > Who knew that inbound cable internet has outbound data capability? The physical medium isn't directional, so there's no reason to assume it would not transmit and receive. A coax cable is equivalent to three wires with better isolation from the environment (and with one "wire" usually used for ground). There's an asymmetry in commercial broadband over coax, but Im not sire why that is precisely. Perhaps someone familiar with DOCSIS etc. could say.
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- ocdtrekkie 4y ago
  In my case I used just a single pair of them to get wired Gigabit up to my second floor from the basement. Based on my layout and needs that got me everything I couldn't easily handle with Ethernet runs. Ethernet runs are cheaper in parts, but MoCA adapters are crazy effective at avoiding large drywalling jobs.
aidenn0 4y ago
I've used Ethernet over Power, and it sucks except under ideal conditions. The pre-G.hn versions are quite slow. G.hn is fast, but all of the G.hn devices I've found seem to use the same chipset (and presumably similar firmware, since the configuration pages have identical options, but different branding), and the chipset seems to buffer a massive amount, which means a single hiccup while using a high-bandwidth application makes the network unusable for a while. Example: while streaming video over a G.hn adapter, I was running ping. There was a brief hiccup, and then ping times exceeded 20 seconds (!!), finally recovering after a few minutes. I eventually ran a program that ran on devices connected to each side and would reboot the adapter if ping times exceeded 500ms. This made the network far more reliable.
- gabereiser 4y ago
  This hasn’t been my experience at all. I use TP-Link adapters and don’t see any ping interference or latency. I think it also has a lot to do with how in phase your power is.
  - aidenn0 4y ago
    Which TP-Link adapters? They don't seem to make a g.hn and the last ones of them I tried were AV1000.
    - gabereiser 4y ago
      It’s the AV1000s. I don’t seem to have the issues you all are reporting with them. No packet loss. No latency beyond a reasonable 1ms. My apartment’s power lines are clean, properly grounded, and perfectly in phase I guess.
      - aidenn0 4y ago
        AV1000 worked reliably for me, but at 40mbit
      - Johnythree 4y ago
        Sorry, but no. All it takes is for a neighbour to plug in a noisy appliance to wipe out your network. The problem with P/L is that it can work, until suddenly it doesn't.
garaetjjte 4y ago
Note that Ethernet over power should also work on coax, or really any other cable. (connect adapters to the wire and feed it with eg. 48V power supply)
- ta988 4y ago
  Not really the newer ones use the 3 wires (phase, neuter and earth). I have one and reach 400-600Mbps in a really old building with really long and shitty cabling. Ping is 5ms more than pure Ethernet though.

bin_bash 4y ago

MoCA adapters are crazy expensive though

mason55 4y ago
It's true but you might not need that many. Our house was built in 2000 and every room is wired with coax but no ethernet. With some strategic placement I was able to get a hardwired switch in my office + two hardwired wifi APs with just two MoCA adapters - $300 well spent. It would be pretty expensive to turn every coax run in my house into a hardwired ethernet switch but well placed hardwired APs obviates the need to do that.
- chrisweekly 4y ago
  Yeah; I'm about to upgrade the backhaul on my Orbi mesh system to be wired, via extant coax nodes in good locations.
themitigating 4y ago
A gocoax 1gbit is $60
- ILMostro7 4y ago
  But you need (at least) two, in order to be useful at all.
  - themitigating 4y ago
    Hi, yes that's true but to compare pricing you need to think of the cost of cat6 cable, which isn't much. Also the time to run the cable. This is assuming you have coax rg6 or better already in the wall
chime 4y ago
Hard to compare what "crazy" expensive is but I bought a pair of these for $90 https://amazon.com/dp/B01MRV4WA1 https://amazon.com/dp/B01MRV4WA1. For the 3 places in my house I wanted to wire with Ethernet, I was done under $300. Patching drywall, paint touch-ups, new cables, and the overall time and headache would have cost a lot more. I was done in a matter of minutes using old coax and these adapters. In my case, I didn't build a MoCA network, just used these devices point-to-point. If you go full MoCA, think of it like a distributed hub - no switching, no routing, no security. In fact you should put filters to prevent neighbors from listening in using their own MoCA adapters. For me, point-to-point worked. YMMV but Ethernet over Coax is definitely worth looking into for upto 1gbps speed, which is plenty for wifi, netflix etc.
- walterbell 4y ago
  > In fact you should put filters to prevent neighbors from listening in using their own MoCA adapters. Wow. Who knew that inbound cable internet has outbound data capability? Thanks for posting. Is this a suitable filter (-70db)? https://www.amazon.com/GLP-1G70CWWS-Filter-Eliminate-Multi-Room-Interference/dp/B08HJ4F4D4 https://www.amazon.com/GLP-1G70CWWS-Filter-Eliminate-Multi-R...
  - trelane 4y ago
    > Who knew that inbound cable internet has outbound data capability? The physical medium isn't directional, so there's no reason to assume it would not transmit and receive. A coax cable is equivalent to three wires with better isolation from the environment (and with one "wire" usually used for ground). There's an asymmetry in commercial broadband over coax, but Im not sire why that is precisely. Perhaps someone familiar with DOCSIS etc. could say.
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ocdtrekkie 4y ago
In my case I used just a single pair of them to get wired Gigabit up to my second floor from the basement. Based on my layout and needs that got me everything I couldn't easily handle with Ethernet runs. Ethernet runs are cheaper in parts, but MoCA adapters are crazy effective at avoiding large drywalling jobs.

aidenn0 4y ago

I've used Ethernet over Power, and it sucks except under ideal conditions. The pre-G.hn versions are quite slow. G.hn is fast, but all of the G.hn devices I've found seem to use the same chipset (and presumably similar firmware, since the configuration pages have identical options, but different branding), and the chipset seems to buffer a massive amount, which means a single hiccup while using a high-bandwidth application makes the network unusable for a while. Example: while streaming video over a G.hn adapter, I was running ping. There was a brief hiccup, and then ping times exceeded 20 seconds (!!), finally recovering after a few minutes. I eventually ran a program that ran on devices connected to each side and would reboot the adapter if ping times exceeded 500ms. This made the network far more reliable.

gabereiser 4y ago
This hasn’t been my experience at all. I use TP-Link adapters and don’t see any ping interference or latency. I think it also has a lot to do with how in phase your power is.
- aidenn0 4y ago
  Which TP-Link adapters? They don't seem to make a g.hn and the last ones of them I tried were AV1000.
  - gabereiser 4y ago
    It’s the AV1000s. I don’t seem to have the issues you all are reporting with them. No packet loss. No latency beyond a reasonable 1ms. My apartment’s power lines are clean, properly grounded, and perfectly in phase I guess.
    - aidenn0 4y ago
      AV1000 worked reliably for me, but at 40mbit
    - Johnythree 4y ago
      Sorry, but no. All it takes is for a neighbour to plug in a noisy appliance to wipe out your network. The problem with P/L is that it can work, until suddenly it doesn't.

garaetjjte 4y ago

Note that Ethernet over power should also work on coax, or really any other cable. (connect adapters to the wire and feed it with eg. 48V power supply)

ta988 4y ago
Not really the newer ones use the 3 wires (phase, neuter and earth). I have one and reach 400-600Mbps in a really old building with really long and shitty cabling. Ping is 5ms more than pure Ethernet though.