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We don't need facial recognition to deal with the crime problem, we need to detain, prosecute and imprison the small number of criminals who are responsible for

We don't need facial recognition to deal with the crime problem, we need to detain, prosecute and imprison the small number of criminals who are responsible for the overwhelming number of crimes. No matter how well-intentioned "bail reform", "sentencing reform" and "criminal justice reform" may have been, it has resulted in a situation where criminals are free to commit crimes over and over again. Those who are caught are instantly released without bail, charges are often dropped and the few cases that are prosecuted often result in no jail time. Virtually everyone agrees that we should not be locking up non-violent drug offenders and others engaged in "victimless" crimes that mostly should not be crimes at all, but that isn't the situation we find ourselves in. Here in New York assault, larceny, illegal gun possession and a host of other serious crimes in effect go unpunished. Not a day passes when another story of someone committing a murder or other heinous crime is published with a footnote about how that person had been caught for a litany of other recent crimes, carrying an illegal gun, several violent assaults, only to be left free to roam the streets until the inevitable occurred. Having compassion and common sense when it comes to incarceration and criminal justice doesn't mean abandoning law enforcement, but unfortunately that's where we are. Edit: A recent example from today's paper. This guy got only 4 months in jail for robbery in 2016. A few years later he is, as an already convicted felon, caught with an illegal loaded gun - a charge that is not "bail eligible" under the new "bail reform law", and he is released to roam the streets. When he eventually does face the charges, he is allowed to plea them down and avoid incarceration completely, instead being diverted into a "mental health program". Shortly thereafter he is engaged in a shootout with police, with another illegal gun, where he is shot. This time, luckily, no innocent people were killed. This is a situation that is repeated countless times a day around NYC, with armed felons roaming free even after being caught repeatedly with illegal weapons and engaged in other crimes. This is the crime problem, and facial recognition does nothing to address it. https://nypost.com/2022/05/11/bronx-shooter-a-look-at-rameek-smiths-open-gun-case-from-2020/ https://nypost.com/2022/05/11/bronx-shooter-a-look-at-rameek...

ParksNet 4y ago
Stop Soros-funded DAs. Alvin Bragg, DA of New York, was funded by 'Color of Change' PAC, which received a $1million donation from George Soros: https://nypost.com/2022/01/04/alvin-braggs-green-light-for-anarchy/ https://nypost.com/2022/01/04/alvin-braggs-green-light-for-a...
nescioquid 4y ago
Those are some appalling stories, but my intuition is that economic stress has been driving the crime uptick. The lower classes have been running on fumes for a generation or more, with only prospects for things to get worse. We can lock 'em up. You suggest we aren't doing this well enough, but no other country on earth imprisons more people than the U.S. I expect the U.S. will do nothing to address the economic stress significant portions of the population are under, so I anticipate this to drive even more crime.
- StanislavPetrov 4y ago
  >Those are some appalling stories, but my intuition is that economic stress has been driving the crime uptick. If we were seeing a broad-based rise in crime this point might be salient, but that isn't what is happening. The overwhelming majority of serious crime is committed by a very small portion of the population. Our refusal to deal with the fact and remove the small minority of people who repeatedly commit violent crimes is what is driving this crisis. Here in New York we are seeing the same relatively small group of people being arrested (and instantly released) over and over again. The attempted solution has been waving a finger in the air about "inequity" and "economic stress". Anyone caught with an illegal gun should be dealt with severely. Anyone caught repeatedly with an illegal gun should be locked up for a long time. The refusal of our politicians to deal with the crime issue in a measured and sane way is going to lead to an inevitable blowback by people who are tired of getting victimized and will be willing to support anyone willing to make the streets safe, no matter how bad they may be - which is something we should all want to avoid.
  - nescioquid 4y ago
    5% of the world's population is in the U.S. and 20% of the world's prisoners are imprisoned in the U.S. I don't think you're proposing anything a score of legislators haven't already put into law, yet here we are. I can't help but find this line of reasoning unsatisfying.
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hulitu 4y ago
"This guy got only 4 months in jail for robbery in 2016." It all depends on the legal system. In DE if you rape a child you get around 3 years. But they make a big case about CSAM.
pessimizer 4y ago
> Virtually everyone agrees that we should not be locking up non-violent drug offenders and others engaged in "victimless" crimes that mostly should not be crimes at all This is not true. > Not a day passes when another story of someone committing a murder or other heinous crime is published with a footnote about how that person had been caught for a litany of other recent crimes, carrying an illegal gun, several violent assaults, only to be left free to roam the streets until the inevitable occurred. Read a different tabloid.
- StanislavPetrov 4y ago
  >Read a different tabloid. "Read a newspaper that pretends there is no crime problem and don't believe your lying eyes when you walk down the street!" is a great solution as long as you don't live in a crime-ridden city (in which case that only works until you catch a random bullet or get shanked on the subway).

ParksNet 4y ago

Stop Soros-funded DAs. Alvin Bragg, DA of New York, was funded by 'Color of Change' PAC, which received a $1million donation from George Soros: https://nypost.com/2022/01/04/alvin-braggs-green-light-for-anarchy/ https://nypost.com/2022/01/04/alvin-braggs-green-light-for-a...

nescioquid 4y ago

Those are some appalling stories, but my intuition is that economic stress has been driving the crime uptick. The lower classes have been running on fumes for a generation or more, with only prospects for things to get worse. We can lock 'em up. You suggest we aren't doing this well enough, but no other country on earth imprisons more people than the U.S. I expect the U.S. will do nothing to address the economic stress significant portions of the population are under, so I anticipate this to drive even more crime.

StanislavPetrov 4y ago
>Those are some appalling stories, but my intuition is that economic stress has been driving the crime uptick. If we were seeing a broad-based rise in crime this point might be salient, but that isn't what is happening. The overwhelming majority of serious crime is committed by a very small portion of the population. Our refusal to deal with the fact and remove the small minority of people who repeatedly commit violent crimes is what is driving this crisis. Here in New York we are seeing the same relatively small group of people being arrested (and instantly released) over and over again. The attempted solution has been waving a finger in the air about "inequity" and "economic stress". Anyone caught with an illegal gun should be dealt with severely. Anyone caught repeatedly with an illegal gun should be locked up for a long time. The refusal of our politicians to deal with the crime issue in a measured and sane way is going to lead to an inevitable blowback by people who are tired of getting victimized and will be willing to support anyone willing to make the streets safe, no matter how bad they may be - which is something we should all want to avoid.
- nescioquid 4y ago
  5% of the world's population is in the U.S. and 20% of the world's prisoners are imprisoned in the U.S. I don't think you're proposing anything a score of legislators haven't already put into law, yet here we are. I can't help but find this line of reasoning unsatisfying.
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hulitu 4y ago

"This guy got only 4 months in jail for robbery in 2016." It all depends on the legal system. In DE if you rape a child you get around 3 years. But they make a big case about CSAM.

pessimizer 4y ago

> Virtually everyone agrees that we should not be locking up non-violent drug offenders and others engaged in "victimless" crimes that mostly should not be crimes at all This is not true. > Not a day passes when another story of someone committing a murder or other heinous crime is published with a footnote about how that person had been caught for a litany of other recent crimes, carrying an illegal gun, several violent assaults, only to be left free to roam the streets until the inevitable occurred. Read a different tabloid.

StanislavPetrov 4y ago
>Read a different tabloid. "Read a newspaper that pretends there is no crime problem and don't believe your lying eyes when you walk down the street!" is a great solution as long as you don't live in a crime-ridden city (in which case that only works until you catch a random bullet or get shanked on the subway).