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Wow, some real hot takes in here. It's particularly funny that commenters here mention what happened in Georgia and Ukraine as reasons for Finland joining NATO,

Wow, some real hot takes in here. It's particularly funny that commenters here mention what happened in Georgia and Ukraine as reasons for Finland joining NATO, when it's exactly those countries cosying up to NATO/the West at Russia's security what lead to the conflicts. Goes to show how people will happily swallow the media narrative without thinking about the big picture.

GolDDranks 4y ago
As a Finn (so I happen to know _my_ reasons for why I support joining NATO perfectly well), I'm curious: how do you perceive the media narrative to be biased or wrong?
- 0x737368 4y ago
  It's a vague question but an appropriately vague answer to that is media narrative is not to inform you of what's happening but to make you think the way the people who control those media channels want you to think - you can only form your opinions from what you see. But in this case the media narrative is very much "this why we need everyone to join NATO/be West-aligned" whereas it's exactly the expansion of NATO that has lead to these conflicts. As much as we'd all like for everyone to do what they want, in reality you need to consider the position of your neighbours especially if they have power. For an alternative example - see how USA reacted to Cuba becoming communist aligned, very much pot calling the kettle black, no? ;)
- maratc 4y ago
  As a Finn, do you think it was smart of Mannerheim to join Nazi Germany against Russia? [EDIT] Appreciate the downvoting, but would appreciate an answer even more.
  - GolDDranks 4y ago
    I'm not super well versed in history, but I don't think Finland had much better options at that time, so yeah, it was kinda smart.
    - maratc 4y ago
      > I don't think Finland had much better options The Norwegians were occupied — for some time, but regained their independence. The Swedes stayed neutral. Why do you think aligning with Germany (and losing territories as a result) was the best option?
      - GolDDranks 4y ago
        Of course in hindsight it wasn't, but that's not something you'd know at the time.

GolDDranks 4y ago

As a Finn (so I happen to know _my_ reasons for why I support joining NATO perfectly well), I'm curious: how do you perceive the media narrative to be biased or wrong?

0x737368 4y ago
It's a vague question but an appropriately vague answer to that is media narrative is not to inform you of what's happening but to make you think the way the people who control those media channels want you to think - you can only form your opinions from what you see. But in this case the media narrative is very much "this why we need everyone to join NATO/be West-aligned" whereas it's exactly the expansion of NATO that has lead to these conflicts. As much as we'd all like for everyone to do what they want, in reality you need to consider the position of your neighbours especially if they have power. For an alternative example - see how USA reacted to Cuba becoming communist aligned, very much pot calling the kettle black, no? ;)
maratc 4y ago
As a Finn, do you think it was smart of Mannerheim to join Nazi Germany against Russia? [EDIT] Appreciate the downvoting, but would appreciate an answer even more.
- GolDDranks 4y ago
  I'm not super well versed in history, but I don't think Finland had much better options at that time, so yeah, it was kinda smart.
  - maratc 4y ago
    > I don't think Finland had much better options The Norwegians were occupied — for some time, but regained their independence. The Swedes stayed neutral. Why do you think aligning with Germany (and losing territories as a result) was the best option?
    - GolDDranks 4y ago
      Of course in hindsight it wasn't, but that's not something you'd know at the time.