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> I personally know a family who's kid was kidnapped (briefly) by a non-family member. Sorry to read that, but it's still a statistically small percent that ha

> I personally know a family who's kid was kidnapped (briefly) by a non-family member. Sorry to read that, but it's still a statistically small percent that happens to. One can say "but even one is too much", and I appreciate the sentiment, but optimizing for the .1% isn't always a good path. > they certainly didn't create the phenomenon of hyper-vigalent school paraprofessionals. "they" probably contributed to the culture that produced the current school paraprofessionals. EDIT: Some interesting numbers at https://www.missingkids.org/theissues/nonfamily https://www.missingkids.org/theissues/nonfamily - of abductions reported to them, 1% are by non-family members, meaning... 99% of reported cases (to their org) are by family members. That may not line up with 'law enforcement' numbers exactly - there's not a clear indication as to what gets reported to them. But the ~1% matches up with other numbers I've seen in the past on missing children. It's almost always a family member or someone known to the child.

tablespoon 4y ago
>>> "Think of the children" is the main weapon politics have to push regulations and more control. >> they certainly didn't create the phenomenon of hyper-vigalent school paraprofessionals. > "they" probably contributed to the culture that produced the current school paraprofessionals. The point I'm making is that it's not politicians who are driving this. They certainly participate, but they're responding to the incentives and concerns of their constituents. "Think of the children" implies they consciously created this and/or are the main drivers, which is false.
- greenglass 4y ago
  “they created this and/or are the main drivers” The media has an incentive to produce emotion inducing content and politician will naturally leverage those emotions because American politics are pure pathos. If you cannot see how that leads to gloom and doom oriented media and politicians that lean on eschatological themes, you aren’t woke.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    >> "Think of the children" implies they consciously created this and/or are the main drivers, which is false. > The media has an incentive to produce emotion inducing content and politician will naturally leverage those emotions because American politics are pure pathos. Yeah, that's true, but it doesn't contradict my point. This is a hard problem, because there isn't some malevolent agent acting consciously at the center of it. It's a bunch of different people acting naturally and responding to their environment and incentives. This sibling comment probably has it part right (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31355482 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31355482). The true cause of this overprotective hypervigilance is probably weakened communities, which itself is most likely an unintended side effect of a bunch of different things.
foobarian 4y ago
Maybe the problem is that communities are weak. Imagine saying "We don't need stronger restrictions. I am OK if my kid is kidnapped as a result because the community will be stronger for it overall due to free range kids etc." You really need to care about your community to do that.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > Maybe the problem is that communities are weak. Imagine saying "We don't need stronger restrictions. I am OK if my kid is kidnapped as a result because the community will be stronger for it overall due to free range kids etc." You really need to care about your community to do that. I think that's partly correct. I think the problem is due to weakened communities, but I don't think anyone, ever will think "I am OK if my kid is kidnapped b/c free range kids are good." If the community was stronger, people with more likely think things like "I am OK with my kind being free range b/c I trust the community not to kidnap and abuse them."
- hermitdev 4y ago
  They're OK with the risk of their child being kidnapped. I don't know any parent that would be OK with their child actually being kidnapped.

tablespoon 4y ago

>>> "Think of the children" is the main weapon politics have to push regulations and more control. >> they certainly didn't create the phenomenon of hyper-vigalent school paraprofessionals. > "they" probably contributed to the culture that produced the current school paraprofessionals. The point I'm making is that it's not politicians who are driving this. They certainly participate, but they're responding to the incentives and concerns of their constituents. "Think of the children" implies they consciously created this and/or are the main drivers, which is false.

greenglass 4y ago
“they created this and/or are the main drivers” The media has an incentive to produce emotion inducing content and politician will naturally leverage those emotions because American politics are pure pathos. If you cannot see how that leads to gloom and doom oriented media and politicians that lean on eschatological themes, you aren’t woke.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  >> "Think of the children" implies they consciously created this and/or are the main drivers, which is false. > The media has an incentive to produce emotion inducing content and politician will naturally leverage those emotions because American politics are pure pathos. Yeah, that's true, but it doesn't contradict my point. This is a hard problem, because there isn't some malevolent agent acting consciously at the center of it. It's a bunch of different people acting naturally and responding to their environment and incentives. This sibling comment probably has it part right (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31355482 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31355482). The true cause of this overprotective hypervigilance is probably weakened communities, which itself is most likely an unintended side effect of a bunch of different things.

foobarian 4y ago

Maybe the problem is that communities are weak. Imagine saying "We don't need stronger restrictions. I am OK if my kid is kidnapped as a result because the community will be stronger for it overall due to free range kids etc." You really need to care about your community to do that.

tablespoon 4y ago
> Maybe the problem is that communities are weak. Imagine saying "We don't need stronger restrictions. I am OK if my kid is kidnapped as a result because the community will be stronger for it overall due to free range kids etc." You really need to care about your community to do that. I think that's partly correct. I think the problem is due to weakened communities, but I don't think anyone, ever will think "I am OK if my kid is kidnapped b/c free range kids are good." If the community was stronger, people with more likely think things like "I am OK with my kind being free range b/c I trust the community not to kidnap and abuse them."
hermitdev 4y ago
They're OK with the risk of their child being kidnapped. I don't know any parent that would be OK with their child actually being kidnapped.