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- AI is generally shit at not being biased, this is more of a meta point, but it is important to remember that all abuses and incosistencies will hit some peopl

- AI is generally shit at not being biased, this is more of a meta point, but it is important to remember that all abuses and incosistencies will hit some people harder than other. - Some random government guy will look through my fotos. I do not want that. - There is no proper oversight for what is actually scanned, and on which paramaters. The gov could just "accidentally" also scan for other crimes or things it doesn't like. Democracy isn't set in stone, and this would be extremely useful infrastructure for a tyrant. - Banning encryption or requiring backdoors makes all of us less safe from third parties.

xadhominemx 4y ago
> that all abuses and incosistencies will hit some people harder than other How specifically could that play out in this instance? > The gov could just "accidentally" also scan for other crimes or things it doesn't like. Yes, if a government decides the rule of law does not matter bad things happen. That was true in the a analog days as well. > Banning encryption or requiring backdoors makes all of us less safe from third parties. This is not really a backdoor. Do you understand how the technology works?
- shakna 4y ago
  > How specifically could that play out in this instance? As AI is famously bad at matching against dark skinned individuals [0], all photos of black kids now flag as CSAM, whether or not any part of them is even dubious at all. [0] https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/24/21301759/facial-recognition-detroit-police-wrongful-arrest-robert-williams-artificial-intelligence https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/24/21301759/facial-recogniti...
  - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
    Or, for the same reason, law enforcement switches methodologies from proper, normal investigation to just scanning, since "its so easy!", but the software fails to recognize dark skinned children, and as a result all law enforcement efforts end up helping only lighter skinned victims
  - xadhominemx 4y ago
    All photos of black kids flag as CSAM? Where did you hear that?
    - shakna 4y ago
      You asked how a bias in AI on a theoretical model, that doesn't yet exist, might present. This is an example of how we know it may present, based on our understanding of how previous models present, in exceeding regularity.

xadhominemx 4y ago

> that all abuses and incosistencies will hit some people harder than other How specifically could that play out in this instance? > The gov could just "accidentally" also scan for other crimes or things it doesn't like. Yes, if a government decides the rule of law does not matter bad things happen. That was true in the a analog days as well. > Banning encryption or requiring backdoors makes all of us less safe from third parties. This is not really a backdoor. Do you understand how the technology works?

shakna 4y ago
> How specifically could that play out in this instance? As AI is famously bad at matching against dark skinned individuals [0], all photos of black kids now flag as CSAM, whether or not any part of them is even dubious at all. [0] https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/24/21301759/facial-recognition-detroit-police-wrongful-arrest-robert-williams-artificial-intelligence https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/24/21301759/facial-recogniti...
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
  Or, for the same reason, law enforcement switches methodologies from proper, normal investigation to just scanning, since "its so easy!", but the software fails to recognize dark skinned children, and as a result all law enforcement efforts end up helping only lighter skinned victims
- xadhominemx 4y ago
  All photos of black kids flag as CSAM? Where did you hear that?
  - shakna 4y ago
    You asked how a bias in AI on a theoretical model, that doesn't yet exist, might present. This is an example of how we know it may present, based on our understanding of how previous models present, in exceeding regularity.