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It seems wierd to me where society has gone. In my dad's high school, they literally brought rifles to school. There was a gun range at the school. Yes, it had

It seems wierd to me where society has gone. In my dad's high school, they literally brought rifles to school. There was a gun range at the school. Yes, it had to be bagged up and unloaded but you literally brought a 22 with rounds to school. My era? Zero tolerance for mean words. I got suspended 1 day because I told people I got a highlighter. They thought I said lighter and tattled on me. Teachers never found the lighter but I was suspended no less. I got suspended once because a friend of mine was planning to come to my house after school. Asked me to carry his bag. Unbeknowst to me he was running off to try to get into a fight off school premises. Never actually got into a fight. But I was suspended for zero tolerance helping/assisting a fight. Now we are in the era where schools have metal detectors, police on staff and actively walking around in the schools, and harassing people over literally nothing. It's interesting to me. Obviously lots of science have determined all of this was bad. https://supportiveschooldiscipline.org/zero-tolerance-policy https://supportiveschooldiscipline.org/zero-tolerance-policy But instead of admitting there was a mistake... they just doubled down on bad policies? Idiots.

lbriner 4y ago
Isn't it similar to the "Nobody was ever fired for buying IBM". If there is any kind of concern over safety, any incident affecting any school, some well-meaning supplier/council/school admin suggests adding security whether fences, ID badges, maglocks, security guards etc. Why not? Anything is better than nothing? The problem is that no-one would get away with saying, "maybe we don't need the fence anymore, it separates children from the community". "Maybe we don't need to repair the metal detector when it breaks" etc. Sad really. The idea that somehow ID cards are a proportionate measure for some kind of security at a high school is very worrying.
- incomingpain 4y ago
  Oh yes, I'm sure all these efforts have been entirely with good intentions. Afterall, fundamentally they are 'protecting the children'. The saying goes though, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. We proactively need to defund the road to hell.
blisterpeanuts 4y ago
tattling used to be followed up by a fistfight in the school yard. Snitches get stitches. It was one way that children used to learn good boundaries. I wonder whether kids are better off today, in our anti-bullying world where even a harsh word can be punished with detention or suspension, whereas snitching is encouraged. What kind of adults are we producing? So far, the results don't look too good.
- incomingpain 4y ago
  >tattling used to be followed up by a fistfight in the school yard. Snitches get stitches. It was one way that children used to learn good boundaries. I wonder whether kids are better off today, in our anti-bullying world where even a harsh word can be punished with detention or suspension, whereas snitching is encouraged. What kind of adults are we producing? So far, the results don't look too good. So the context of that kid, he learnt that stuff at home. His parents were famous for calling the police and city on their neighbours. The peak of it was July 1st, people were firing off fireworks. They called the police to say someone was shooting/bombing their house. The police obviously show up in force big time. They closed blocks of the neighbourhood only to later find out they had a history of false police reports. False firefighter stuff saying open pit fires of their neighbours were illegal. etc. After the tattle involving me. Me and my friend were taken aside and were very explicitly explained to what we should do. This is our fathers and teachers in the same room. They knew we would want to fight but they said no, you simply never talk or be near that kid again. Complete social ostracizing, never touch the kid. Except after we started doing that... we'd be playing foot hockey and if he'd ask to join, we'd immediately stop playing and say we were done and walk away from him. A few times he ran to steal our tennis ball and demand to be included. The whole class got in on it. Literally nobody would talk to him or talk near him. My brother in a younger grade did the same knowing he might tattle on them. Older grades did the same. After a couple weeks of literally no one talking to him, he would spend recess standing next to the teacher. Then he disappeared for a couple weeks. He ended up in the hospital with what I would expect to be psychiatric issues. Can you imagine being socially isolated in elementary school? When he got back? We were all evil and should be punished blah blah. His new job was to ensure the teachers knew about every infraction anyone did. He doubled down on it, didn't work out when he went after a 2 grades older bully and got quite injured. Nothing major, serious bruising. The teachers were even hesitant to help him. Then one day he comes up to me like first thing in the morning saying his parents want me and my friend to come to his house. I was like hell to the no. Then few days later I didnt even do anything wrong and teacher demanded us and our parents be at the school for a meeting. We were expecting suspension but ended up they wanted to make peace. His parents were very concerned but were so angry when I explained what happened. I refused to agree to any peace, that I had done nothing wrong. Which got most of the room chuckling... but after that day he sure stopped his tattling.
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mayregretit 4y ago
I'm sorry that happened to you, as just a kid. As the saying goes, "it's not your fault." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQht2yOX9Js&t=111s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQht2yOX9Js&t=111s

lbriner 4y ago

Isn't it similar to the "Nobody was ever fired for buying IBM". If there is any kind of concern over safety, any incident affecting any school, some well-meaning supplier/council/school admin suggests adding security whether fences, ID badges, maglocks, security guards etc. Why not? Anything is better than nothing? The problem is that no-one would get away with saying, "maybe we don't need the fence anymore, it separates children from the community". "Maybe we don't need to repair the metal detector when it breaks" etc. Sad really. The idea that somehow ID cards are a proportionate measure for some kind of security at a high school is very worrying.

incomingpain 4y ago
Oh yes, I'm sure all these efforts have been entirely with good intentions. Afterall, fundamentally they are 'protecting the children'. The saying goes though, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. We proactively need to defund the road to hell.

blisterpeanuts 4y ago

tattling used to be followed up by a fistfight in the school yard. Snitches get stitches. It was one way that children used to learn good boundaries. I wonder whether kids are better off today, in our anti-bullying world where even a harsh word can be punished with detention or suspension, whereas snitching is encouraged. What kind of adults are we producing? So far, the results don't look too good.

incomingpain 4y ago
>tattling used to be followed up by a fistfight in the school yard. Snitches get stitches. It was one way that children used to learn good boundaries. I wonder whether kids are better off today, in our anti-bullying world where even a harsh word can be punished with detention or suspension, whereas snitching is encouraged. What kind of adults are we producing? So far, the results don't look too good. So the context of that kid, he learnt that stuff at home. His parents were famous for calling the police and city on their neighbours. The peak of it was July 1st, people were firing off fireworks. They called the police to say someone was shooting/bombing their house. The police obviously show up in force big time. They closed blocks of the neighbourhood only to later find out they had a history of false police reports. False firefighter stuff saying open pit fires of their neighbours were illegal. etc. After the tattle involving me. Me and my friend were taken aside and were very explicitly explained to what we should do. This is our fathers and teachers in the same room. They knew we would want to fight but they said no, you simply never talk or be near that kid again. Complete social ostracizing, never touch the kid. Except after we started doing that... we'd be playing foot hockey and if he'd ask to join, we'd immediately stop playing and say we were done and walk away from him. A few times he ran to steal our tennis ball and demand to be included. The whole class got in on it. Literally nobody would talk to him or talk near him. My brother in a younger grade did the same knowing he might tattle on them. Older grades did the same. After a couple weeks of literally no one talking to him, he would spend recess standing next to the teacher. Then he disappeared for a couple weeks. He ended up in the hospital with what I would expect to be psychiatric issues. Can you imagine being socially isolated in elementary school? When he got back? We were all evil and should be punished blah blah. His new job was to ensure the teachers knew about every infraction anyone did. He doubled down on it, didn't work out when he went after a 2 grades older bully and got quite injured. Nothing major, serious bruising. The teachers were even hesitant to help him. Then one day he comes up to me like first thing in the morning saying his parents want me and my friend to come to his house. I was like hell to the no. Then few days later I didnt even do anything wrong and teacher demanded us and our parents be at the school for a meeting. We were expecting suspension but ended up they wanted to make peace. His parents were very concerned but were so angry when I explained what happened. I refused to agree to any peace, that I had done nothing wrong. Which got most of the room chuckling... but after that day he sure stopped his tattling.

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mayregretit 4y ago

I'm sorry that happened to you, as just a kid. As the saying goes, "it's not your fault." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQht2yOX9Js&t=111s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQht2yOX9Js&t=111s