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That and it’s a fairly racist place in my experience so don’t bother if you think that would affect you.

gattilorenz 4y ago
> it's fairly racist place in my experience Out of curiosity, did you live in other countries as well? I have the impression that in NL there certainly is a certain level of racism, but it's less systemic/endemic/widespread than in other countries (including parts of the US). It's an opinion based on very limited data and personal observation, so take it with a grain of salt.
oauea 4y ago
Not nearly as racist as the US where people of color are regularly murdered.
- oauea 4y ago
  Just ask yourself, when was the last time something like this happened in the Netherlands? https://www.wivb.com/news/buffalo-supermarket-mass-shooting-tops/buffalo-mass-shooters-alleged-manifesto-leaves-no-doubt-attack-was-white-supremacist-terrorism/ https://www.wivb.com/news/buffalo-supermarket-mass-shooting-...
kingcharles 4y ago
I think your racism meter is mis-calibrated. Sure, the Dutch are a bit funny about all the Turks in the country, but I find their racism against the Turks to be way lower than say a lot of Americans' racism against Hispanics.
- vanderZwan 4y ago
  I don't think we should tell someone who implies they have experienced racism first-hand that they haven't experienced racism. Especially if the counter-argument is "other ethnicity I belong to doesn't seem to be treated that badly compared to racism against yet another ethnicity I don't belong to in a different country."
  - kingcharles 4y ago
    You're right, but the poster above seemed to be talking for a whole population, which I then did too by talking about Americans as a counter-example. It's just that my experience of the Netherlands isn't that they are particularly racist, but if you haven't experienced other cultures then it is easy to lose calibration. Like how a lot of Americans tend to think of the country as number one in a lot of things (e.g. education), but when you visit other countries or explore other cultures you find out your views are miscalibrated.

> it's fairly racist place in my experience Out of curiosity, did you live in other countries as well? I have the impression that in NL there certainly is a certain level of racism, but it's less systemic/endemic/widespread than in other countries (including parts of the US). It's an opinion based on very limited data and personal observation, so take it with a grain of salt.

oauea 4y ago

Not nearly as racist as the US where people of color are regularly murdered.

oauea 4y ago
Just ask yourself, when was the last time something like this happened in the Netherlands? https://www.wivb.com/news/buffalo-supermarket-mass-shooting-tops/buffalo-mass-shooters-alleged-manifesto-leaves-no-doubt-attack-was-white-supremacist-terrorism/ https://www.wivb.com/news/buffalo-supermarket-mass-shooting-...

kingcharles 4y ago

I think your racism meter is mis-calibrated. Sure, the Dutch are a bit funny about all the Turks in the country, but I find their racism against the Turks to be way lower than say a lot of Americans' racism against Hispanics.

vanderZwan 4y ago
I don't think we should tell someone who implies they have experienced racism first-hand that they haven't experienced racism. Especially if the counter-argument is "other ethnicity I belong to doesn't seem to be treated that badly compared to racism against yet another ethnicity I don't belong to in a different country."
- kingcharles 4y ago
  You're right, but the poster above seemed to be talking for a whole population, which I then did too by talking about Americans as a counter-example. It's just that my experience of the Netherlands isn't that they are particularly racist, but if you haven't experienced other cultures then it is easy to lose calibration. Like how a lot of Americans tend to think of the country as number one in a lot of things (e.g. education), but when you visit other countries or explore other cultures you find out your views are miscalibrated.