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In English and particularly American English, “the government” is understood to encompass the justice system as well as Congress/parliament. People are taking a

In English and particularly American English, “the government” is understood to encompass the justice system as well as Congress/parliament. People are taking about justice system abuses, not just some MP abusing his power. Law enforcement and courts control the country just as much as the parliament. This isn’t some feature of American government either: in the US local law enforcement is often completely divorced from the state and federal political process and is run independently at a local level, with sheriffs and district attorneys even being elected positions in many jurisdictions. There is no national police - the closest thing is the FBI (though there are a few other national law enforcement agencies), but it can go after only crimes involving multi-states or interstate commerce, and at a high level it is run essentially like state law enforcement organizations in other countries, largely independent of the political process, although at the very top it is politically appointed, usually with a career official placed in charge.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> In English and particularly American English, “the government” is understood to encompass the justice system as well as Congress/parliament That's only because in USA the justice system depend on the elected president and elected representatives of the State. But that's not true in Europe. Law enforcement forces and justice system employees only have to obey to the laws, not to the politicians in power. They can't be fired at will.
- Amezarak 4y ago
  > That's only because in USA the justice system depend on the elected president and elected representatives of the State. That’s absolutely not true in the US. Almost all law enforcement has no connection to the President whatsoever. The FBI does have a connection, the director is appointed with legislative assent, but FBI employees cannot be fired at will by politician or even the director. Further, the FBI didn’t even exist for most of American history, so that’s not why the term evolved the way it did. Also, your country almost certainly operates similarly to US federal law enforcement. Or are you claiming there’s no democratic oversight of or input into the justice system at all? Further, if you don’t consider the justice system part of the government, what is it?
- nix23 4y ago
  >Law enforcement forces and justice system employees only have to obey to the laws, not to the politicians in power. Frontex want's to have a word with you..... And the Italian coastguard let people drown because it's law?....or maybe because it's a political thing? You cant separate the government and justice system completely.
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    > Frontex want's to have a word with you..... Let's hear your thesis here... > And your Italian coastguard let people drown because it's law?.... They actually don't. Some politician (a Trump and Putin supporter, BTW!) tried to make them drawn for political gains and was beaten by a German young Captain Woman. [1] many people in Europe protested against what Salvini was doing. [2] [3] [4] France officially condemned what was happening. Because you know, it's not a dictatorship here or a place where the police kills you if you're of the wrong color, the people still oppose to what Politicians and governments try to do. Please, don't try to teach me how my country works... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carola_Rackete https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carola_Rackete [2] Paris: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/127BA/production/_107760757_b379939d-0fb5-4a38-99b9-a20d6c90b465.jpg https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/127BA/production... [3] Vienna https://taz.de/picture/3536744/624/23312167_Carola_Rackete_Seenotrettung_Sea_Watch.jpeg https://taz.de/picture/3536744/624/23312167_Carola_Rackete_S... [4] Germany https://media.tio.ch/files/domains/tio.ch/images/4bsj/huh5.jpg?rand=68838580 https://media.tio.ch/files/domains/tio.ch/images/4bsj/huh5.j...
    - nix23 4y ago
      >They actually don't. Since your talking about Rackete.... >>The EU is no longer rescuing drowning migrants and the number of refugees continues to fall. https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/carola-rackete-and-europe-s-troubling-refugee-policies-a-1276268.html https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/carola-rackete-a... You know that's why she got into troubles?...bringing drowning refugees to europa's coast. >many people in Europe protested against what Salvini was doing. So here you gave already proof that politicians can tell the coast guard what todo right?...because the sea-law is pretty clear..you have to help, no matter what. Thank you for the proof.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago

> In English and particularly American English, “the government” is understood to encompass the justice system as well as Congress/parliament That's only because in USA the justice system depend on the elected president and elected representatives of the State. But that's not true in Europe. Law enforcement forces and justice system employees only have to obey to the laws, not to the politicians in power. They can't be fired at will.

Amezarak 4y ago
> That's only because in USA the justice system depend on the elected president and elected representatives of the State. That’s absolutely not true in the US. Almost all law enforcement has no connection to the President whatsoever. The FBI does have a connection, the director is appointed with legislative assent, but FBI employees cannot be fired at will by politician or even the director. Further, the FBI didn’t even exist for most of American history, so that’s not why the term evolved the way it did. Also, your country almost certainly operates similarly to US federal law enforcement. Or are you claiming there’s no democratic oversight of or input into the justice system at all? Further, if you don’t consider the justice system part of the government, what is it?
nix23 4y ago
>Law enforcement forces and justice system employees only have to obey to the laws, not to the politicians in power. Frontex want's to have a word with you..... And the Italian coastguard let people drown because it's law?....or maybe because it's a political thing? You cant separate the government and justice system completely.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > Frontex want's to have a word with you..... Let's hear your thesis here... > And your Italian coastguard let people drown because it's law?.... They actually don't. Some politician (a Trump and Putin supporter, BTW!) tried to make them drawn for political gains and was beaten by a German young Captain Woman. [1] many people in Europe protested against what Salvini was doing. [2] [3] [4] France officially condemned what was happening. Because you know, it's not a dictatorship here or a place where the police kills you if you're of the wrong color, the people still oppose to what Politicians and governments try to do. Please, don't try to teach me how my country works... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carola_Rackete https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carola_Rackete [2] Paris: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/127BA/production/_107760757_b379939d-0fb5-4a38-99b9-a20d6c90b465.jpg https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/127BA/production... [3] Vienna https://taz.de/picture/3536744/624/23312167_Carola_Rackete_Seenotrettung_Sea_Watch.jpeg https://taz.de/picture/3536744/624/23312167_Carola_Rackete_S... [4] Germany https://media.tio.ch/files/domains/tio.ch/images/4bsj/huh5.jpg?rand=68838580 https://media.tio.ch/files/domains/tio.ch/images/4bsj/huh5.j...
  - nix23 4y ago
    >They actually don't. Since your talking about Rackete.... >>The EU is no longer rescuing drowning migrants and the number of refugees continues to fall. https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/carola-rackete-and-europe-s-troubling-refugee-policies-a-1276268.html https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/carola-rackete-a... You know that's why she got into troubles?...bringing drowning refugees to europa's coast. >many people in Europe protested against what Salvini was doing. So here you gave already proof that politicians can tell the coast guard what todo right?...because the sea-law is pretty clear..you have to help, no matter what. Thank you for the proof.