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>Government can't blackmail citizen Why not? >Do you really believe that in Europe governments are in control of everything like it happens in Russia or in No

by nix23 4y ago

>Government can't blackmail citizen Why not? >Do you really believe that in Europe governments are in control of everything like it happens in Russia or in North Korea? Wait you think Russia is in control of it's citizen? Oh man, western propaganda seams to work even better then the russian counterpart.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> Why not? Because they can't, the moment they do, they'll be roasted for doing it. Those who tried, failed miserably. Justice system here is not run by governments, it's a completely separated power. > Wait you think Russia is in control of it's citizen? Oh man, western propaganda seams to work even better then the russian counterpart. They control everything in the control rooms, which is not even the case oin EU democracies. Do you really believe EU governments will control every communication over the wire if this law is approved in the 26 EU countries?
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  I think the EU wants to go through easy to rummage through stuff like email, texts, instant messenger (all easy to go through if unencrypted). I think that's what their warning shot is. Eventually they would like to put spyware in every app/phone and keep tabs on what you're doing. It's the same in America as well. Politician and the police state have no shame when it comes to wanting to take away your privacy "to think of the children" and "what about terrorists?". There is a reason we have search warrants. It's a compromise that has worked for centuries, and I don't see why that has to go out the door with new technologies.
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    Seriously, if you start with "I think EU is turning into Sauron",you then can imply everything, you'll be mostly wrong though. > I think that's what their warning shot is These arguments have been in discussion for at least a decade. Why do you think they want to read your email? What purpose could it serve? Do you really think France will accept to put the email of their citizens out in the clear if Germany refuses? (nations can still delay the implementation of regulations, technically forever) > There is a reason we have search warrants They are still required. CSAM is only what Apple already does (and that's another reason why I don't buy Apple products).
    - stjohnswarts 4y ago
      I think kowtowing to ANY group wanting to rifle through texts/email/anything is a bad idea without some legal principle like a very specific warrant has been issued to do it. What these guys want means that all encryption has to have a backdoor so they can look through you private "papers" at will. Yeah, I don't like that, and no I'm not exaggerating. Otherwise, we wouldn't have agreements between countries like Five Eyes. I just don't understand why everyday people just roll over for government abuse of their privacy.
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- nix23 4y ago
  >Those who tried, failed miserably. Ah you think the government sends an official person and start to blackmailing you? >Justice system here is not run by governments, it's a completely separated power. Oh c'mon, it's pretty naive to think like that. >They control everything in the control rooms, which is not even the case oin EU democracies. Ah yes the russian control room's who had not heard of that. >which is not even the case oin EU democracies. https://european-pirateparty.eu/chatcontrol-the-sequel-nobody-asked-for/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=chatcontrol-the-sequel-nobody-asked-for https://european-pirateparty.eu/chatcontrol-the-sequel-nobod... https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/why-a-backdoor-is-a-security-risk/ https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/why-a-backdoor-is-a-security... I really cant believe that you think the EU is so much better. But i see, the propaganda to implement that we are the good one's worked pretty well for you.
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    > Ah you think the government sends an official person and start to blackmailing you? You mean governments are run by criminals that break the law? If being blackmailed over alleged pedo pornography in that case is what concerns you the most, I think you have a pretty simplistic view of what's happening in the real World right now... > I really cant believe that you think the EU is so much better. I really can't believe you don't see it! > But i see, the propaganda to implement that we are the good one's worked pretty well for you. I don't really think you are making any sense. You just posted propaganda links of a commercial email service and of European pirate party which is the most biased source of information about digital rights in Europe, they are so small (only 4 seats in the parliament, 3 from Czech Republic, one from Germany, zero from any other EU country) and and in need of funds that are constantly screaming "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE" and have been for more than a decade now, for no reason. I consider myself much more on the left side of things than the pirate party and have been participating on discussions about digital freedoms as a tech consultant for the EU commission, the pirate brought virtually nothing to the table. But it's working for them, their MP salaries are still flowing in their pockets anyway. Ask them why their HQ is in Luxembourg City (one of the richest cities in the World) and not in some more piratesque place...
    - 4y ago
- tremon 4y ago
  they can't, the moment they do, they'll be roasted for doing it. Really? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/14/dutch-government-faces-collapse-over-child-benefits-scandal https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/14/dutch-governme... The Dutch IRS ran a shadow profile system for over ten years, resulting in countless families in financial trouble, numerous divorces, suicides, and kids being removed from their parents and placed in foster care. Compensation/restitution for the affected families is finally coming, but its tragically slow progress is adding insult to injury. And the government that stepped down over it, is still (again) in power. The very same prime minister that has presided over the country during the entire time this program ran was re-elected after his previous cabinet dissolved. None of the people working at the IRS have even seen the inside of a courtroom, at least not as defendant. Such a roasting they got.

by nix23 4y ago

peoplefromibiza 4y ago

> Why not? Because they can't, the moment they do, they'll be roasted for doing it. Those who tried, failed miserably. Justice system here is not run by governments, it's a completely separated power. > Wait you think Russia is in control of it's citizen? Oh man, western propaganda seams to work even better then the russian counterpart. They control everything in the control rooms, which is not even the case oin EU democracies. Do you really believe EU governments will control every communication over the wire if this law is approved in the 26 EU countries?

stjohnswarts 4y ago
I think the EU wants to go through easy to rummage through stuff like email, texts, instant messenger (all easy to go through if unencrypted). I think that's what their warning shot is. Eventually they would like to put spyware in every app/phone and keep tabs on what you're doing. It's the same in America as well. Politician and the police state have no shame when it comes to wanting to take away your privacy "to think of the children" and "what about terrorists?". There is a reason we have search warrants. It's a compromise that has worked for centuries, and I don't see why that has to go out the door with new technologies.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  Seriously, if you start with "I think EU is turning into Sauron",you then can imply everything, you'll be mostly wrong though. > I think that's what their warning shot is These arguments have been in discussion for at least a decade. Why do you think they want to read your email? What purpose could it serve? Do you really think France will accept to put the email of their citizens out in the clear if Germany refuses? (nations can still delay the implementation of regulations, technically forever) > There is a reason we have search warrants They are still required. CSAM is only what Apple already does (and that's another reason why I don't buy Apple products).
  - stjohnswarts 4y ago
    I think kowtowing to ANY group wanting to rifle through texts/email/anything is a bad idea without some legal principle like a very specific warrant has been issued to do it. What these guys want means that all encryption has to have a backdoor so they can look through you private "papers" at will. Yeah, I don't like that, and no I'm not exaggerating. Otherwise, we wouldn't have agreements between countries like Five Eyes. I just don't understand why everyday people just roll over for government abuse of their privacy.
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nix23 4y ago
>Those who tried, failed miserably. Ah you think the government sends an official person and start to blackmailing you? >Justice system here is not run by governments, it's a completely separated power. Oh c'mon, it's pretty naive to think like that. >They control everything in the control rooms, which is not even the case oin EU democracies. Ah yes the russian control room's who had not heard of that. >which is not even the case oin EU democracies. https://european-pirateparty.eu/chatcontrol-the-sequel-nobody-asked-for/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=chatcontrol-the-sequel-nobody-asked-for https://european-pirateparty.eu/chatcontrol-the-sequel-nobod... https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/why-a-backdoor-is-a-security-risk/ https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/why-a-backdoor-is-a-security... I really cant believe that you think the EU is so much better. But i see, the propaganda to implement that we are the good one's worked pretty well for you.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > Ah you think the government sends an official person and start to blackmailing you? You mean governments are run by criminals that break the law? If being blackmailed over alleged pedo pornography in that case is what concerns you the most, I think you have a pretty simplistic view of what's happening in the real World right now... > I really cant believe that you think the EU is so much better. I really can't believe you don't see it! > But i see, the propaganda to implement that we are the good one's worked pretty well for you. I don't really think you are making any sense. You just posted propaganda links of a commercial email service and of European pirate party which is the most biased source of information about digital rights in Europe, they are so small (only 4 seats in the parliament, 3 from Czech Republic, one from Germany, zero from any other EU country) and and in need of funds that are constantly screaming "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE" and have been for more than a decade now, for no reason. I consider myself much more on the left side of things than the pirate party and have been participating on discussions about digital freedoms as a tech consultant for the EU commission, the pirate brought virtually nothing to the table. But it's working for them, their MP salaries are still flowing in their pockets anyway. Ask them why their HQ is in Luxembourg City (one of the richest cities in the World) and not in some more piratesque place...
  - 4y ago
tremon 4y ago
they can't, the moment they do, they'll be roasted for doing it. Really? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/14/dutch-government-faces-collapse-over-child-benefits-scandal https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/14/dutch-governme... The Dutch IRS ran a shadow profile system for over ten years, resulting in countless families in financial trouble, numerous divorces, suicides, and kids being removed from their parents and placed in foster care. Compensation/restitution for the affected families is finally coming, but its tragically slow progress is adding insult to injury. And the government that stepped down over it, is still (again) in power. The very same prime minister that has presided over the country during the entire time this program ran was re-elected after his previous cabinet dissolved. None of the people working at the IRS have even seen the inside of a courtroom, at least not as defendant. Such a roasting they got.