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> > 3. What makes you think #2 is true even today? > Because I live in EU and everywhere else I look the situation is far worse. "It's worse other places" doe

by pc86 5y ago

> > 3. What makes you think #2 is true even today? > Because I live in EU and everywhere else I look the situation is far worse. "It's worse other places" doesn't answer the question. The EU's government isn't perfect and I don't see any safeguards in this proposal. It's ripe for abuse. > Funny that guns are abused daily in US Whataboutism nonsense, nobody is talking about guns except you. > If the filter has to be used for CSAM content, it can't be used for anything else. Utterly fanciful. Once this exists and is in place, it can and will be expanded to other things. Eventually a government you don't like will be elected in your country, and they'll be able to expand this. This tool in the hands of an authoritarian government is as dangerous as any firearm because it would allow them to track dissent.

peoplefromibiza 5y ago
> The EU's government isn't perfect Do you know someone or something that is? I don't. > I don't see any safeguards in this proposal. then write one and propose it! or look better. >It's ripe for abuse. BY WHOM EXACTLY? AND WHY? > Utterly fanciful. Once this exists and is in place, it can and will be expanded to other things. Are you from the future or simply doubling down on your opinions, trying to pose them as unequivocal facts? > This tool in the hands of an authoritarian government There's no such thing in Europe, the closets thing to it it's Viktor Orban in Hungary. Who is still more democratic than Trump.
- tut-urut-utut 5y ago
  You mean like German police using the data from COVID tracing apps, although legally they should not be used for anything except virus tracing? Or it doesn't count since Germany is not a democracy?
  - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
    > Or it doesn't count since Germany is not a democracy? you say that as a joke, but it's not completely false. Half of Germany was still a dystopian 1984esque state 30 years ago. Those people are still alive, those kids are adults now. It doesn't surprise me at all that it can happen. Anyway, it was one case in a small city where they tracked a witness of a crime, they didn't "destroy the privacy of all European citizenzs to create a surveillance state in EU" Besides, WhatsApp and IG have the same (if not much more) metadata, given by the users while simply using the app, that are already being abused in any possible way. including selling them. At least a tracing app is explicitly for tracing. I never used a tracing app for COVID, problem solved. But people (even my mom!) use WhatsApp, I can't escape that and can't escape Facebook knowing who I cal. when, for how long, even if the messages are encrypted, metadata is not. I would very much prefer a call from the police to help them solve a crime than FB sending me unsolicited ads or worse.

by pc86 5y ago

peoplefromibiza 5y ago

> The EU's government isn't perfect Do you know someone or something that is? I don't. > I don't see any safeguards in this proposal. then write one and propose it! or look better. >It's ripe for abuse. BY WHOM EXACTLY? AND WHY? > Utterly fanciful. Once this exists and is in place, it can and will be expanded to other things. Are you from the future or simply doubling down on your opinions, trying to pose them as unequivocal facts? > This tool in the hands of an authoritarian government There's no such thing in Europe, the closets thing to it it's Viktor Orban in Hungary. Who is still more democratic than Trump.

tut-urut-utut 5y ago
You mean like German police using the data from COVID tracing apps, although legally they should not be used for anything except virus tracing? Or it doesn't count since Germany is not a democracy?
- peoplefromibiza 5y ago
  > Or it doesn't count since Germany is not a democracy? you say that as a joke, but it's not completely false. Half of Germany was still a dystopian 1984esque state 30 years ago. Those people are still alive, those kids are adults now. It doesn't surprise me at all that it can happen. Anyway, it was one case in a small city where they tracked a witness of a crime, they didn't "destroy the privacy of all European citizenzs to create a surveillance state in EU" Besides, WhatsApp and IG have the same (if not much more) metadata, given by the users while simply using the app, that are already being abused in any possible way. including selling them. At least a tracing app is explicitly for tracing. I never used a tracing app for COVID, problem solved. But people (even my mom!) use WhatsApp, I can't escape that and can't escape Facebook knowing who I cal. when, for how long, even if the messages are encrypted, metadata is not. I would very much prefer a call from the police to help them solve a crime than FB sending me unsolicited ads or worse.