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You're being pedantic and apologist for very little reason. There are still dozens of families who have yet to be reimbursed for this mistake, let alone the dam

You're being pedantic and apologist for very little reason. There are still dozens of families who have yet to be reimbursed for this mistake, let alone the damage which was caused in the aftermath. Instead, we have a bunch of people still arguing what to do about the situation, all which are paid in tax money that could've been used to solve the issue already. It's not about them being evil. It's about them feeling justified to use the algorithm in the way it was used, which then lead to pretty dire consequences for many families, followed by a lack of action and a general lazy attitude towards the entire situation. Along with a general lack of foresight when they implemented it. This is a very clear example of what happens when you optimize for true positives at the cost of false positives. You can argue the costs and benefits, but you can't argue "people don't want to harm innocents" when they select to do so in a scenario where it very clear does harm innocents. "Caring about not harming innocents" gets dropped the moment it feels inconvenient. That's something people need to be aware of instead of living in their idealist dream world.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> There are still dozens of families who have yet to be reimbursed for this mistake that has nothing to do with the matter at hand, it's completely OT and, frankly, who cares? It is not EU fault, it's Netherlands's fault. EU doesn't control Netherlands.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  Again, you're being pedantic in an attempt to dismiss people. People could interpret the comment in question as "name examples in Europe", as if commenter was trying to imply "European countries aren't as crazy and totalitarian as the US / the remainder of the world". Several commenters gave examples close to home. But somehow the EU, as in European Union, will be the exception, and we can't be skeptical of that. Get real.
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    > Again, you're being pedantic in an attempt to dismiss people. No, I'm being correct. Netherland problems that are not caused by EU regulations, are not EU problems. Deal with that. > But somehow the EU, as in European Union, will be the exception, and we can't be skeptical of that. Fale premise. I never said that EU is gonna be an exception, just that this particular problem happens everywhere, tax fraud are probably the most common case of fraud World wide. So implying that's proof of some potential problem inside a new EU regulation that has nothing to do with tax fraud is naive at best, but let's get real, you're being not naive, you're simply being biased.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago

> There are still dozens of families who have yet to be reimbursed for this mistake that has nothing to do with the matter at hand, it's completely OT and, frankly, who cares? It is not EU fault, it's Netherlands's fault. EU doesn't control Netherlands.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
Again, you're being pedantic in an attempt to dismiss people. People could interpret the comment in question as "name examples in Europe", as if commenter was trying to imply "European countries aren't as crazy and totalitarian as the US / the remainder of the world". Several commenters gave examples close to home. But somehow the EU, as in European Union, will be the exception, and we can't be skeptical of that. Get real.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > Again, you're being pedantic in an attempt to dismiss people. No, I'm being correct. Netherland problems that are not caused by EU regulations, are not EU problems. Deal with that. > But somehow the EU, as in European Union, will be the exception, and we can't be skeptical of that. Fale premise. I never said that EU is gonna be an exception, just that this particular problem happens everywhere, tax fraud are probably the most common case of fraud World wide. So implying that's proof of some potential problem inside a new EU regulation that has nothing to do with tax fraud is naive at best, but let's get real, you're being not naive, you're simply being biased.