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"Woke" is on odd term. It doesn't seem to actually mean anything except whatever the person using it dislikes at that moment. Almost no one refers to themselves

"Woke" is on odd term. It doesn't seem to actually mean anything except whatever the person using it dislikes at that moment. Almost no one refers to themselves as "woke". It seems to be have been adopted by the hard right as a chameleon term of abuse that means anything they want it to mean. It seems to resemble in use the term "political correctness", just even more so and snappier. It's very useful if you want to denigrate something without an actual discussion of why you're unhappy with it.

cloutchaser 4y ago
Woke = critical race theory, gender theory, third wave feminism - mixed in with some globalist centralising (socialist) economics It's pretty specific.
- spacemanmatt 4y ago
  Do you mean critical race theory as defined and taught in colleges, on critical race theory as defined and feared among right-wing partisans? They are not the same thing. I don't know enough about those other topics to ask similar questions, but my educated estimate is at least as much disparity between the origins and typical teaching of those topics compared with the politicized version. It really impedes practical communication on these topics when one side decides to run away with their own definition unmoored from consensual reality.
  - cloutchaser 4y ago
    No, again, it’s pretty specific. The core teaching of CRT and gender theory is that it it’s more important what group you belong to than what you are as an individual. This is completely incompatible with individual based rights that the western world grew on for the last 50-100-150 years. And by west I mean a broad amount of countries not just the US.
    - ben_w 4y ago
      CRT’s core teaching is that “race” isn’t a meaningful biological distinction, i.e. that categorising people by skin colour is arbitrary as categorising by hair colour. Furthermore, one of the main concepts it uses is intersectionality, which is that all of us belong to multiple categories, e.g. while I’m in a local majority for being white (of skin, and sadly now also a few hairs), I’m also bi, left handed (that used to be seen as sinister, and is literally the etymological origin of the term), and a few other things. This is pretty much the opposite of what you’re saying it is. However, what you say it is, is what I think most opponents of CRT think it is. “Gender theory”… well, I googled, and that seems to be a non-standard term for both (a) gender studies, and (b) the anti-gender movement. The latter appears to be a catch-all for various otherwise disconnected groups whose only commonality is their opposition to the former. And I have no idea which one of these (if either) you’re criticising.

cloutchaser 4y ago

Woke = critical race theory, gender theory, third wave feminism - mixed in with some globalist centralising (socialist) economics It's pretty specific.

spacemanmatt 4y ago
Do you mean critical race theory as defined and taught in colleges, on critical race theory as defined and feared among right-wing partisans? They are not the same thing. I don't know enough about those other topics to ask similar questions, but my educated estimate is at least as much disparity between the origins and typical teaching of those topics compared with the politicized version. It really impedes practical communication on these topics when one side decides to run away with their own definition unmoored from consensual reality.
- cloutchaser 4y ago
  No, again, it’s pretty specific. The core teaching of CRT and gender theory is that it it’s more important what group you belong to than what you are as an individual. This is completely incompatible with individual based rights that the western world grew on for the last 50-100-150 years. And by west I mean a broad amount of countries not just the US.
  - ben_w 4y ago
    CRT’s core teaching is that “race” isn’t a meaningful biological distinction, i.e. that categorising people by skin colour is arbitrary as categorising by hair colour. Furthermore, one of the main concepts it uses is intersectionality, which is that all of us belong to multiple categories, e.g. while I’m in a local majority for being white (of skin, and sadly now also a few hairs), I’m also bi, left handed (that used to be seen as sinister, and is literally the etymological origin of the term), and a few other things. This is pretty much the opposite of what you’re saying it is. However, what you say it is, is what I think most opponents of CRT think it is. “Gender theory”… well, I googled, and that seems to be a non-standard term for both (a) gender studies, and (b) the anti-gender movement. The latter appears to be a catch-all for various otherwise disconnected groups whose only commonality is their opposition to the former. And I have no idea which one of these (if either) you’re criticising.