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It always amazes me how anyone can be technologically literate and still think world governments should be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to thing

It always amazes me how anyone can be technologically literate and still think world governments should be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to things like this. I agree OP, most people in government are probably not inherently evil or malicious but why should anyone trust that these initiatives won’t be poorly implemented and cause massive collateral damage to innocent lives?

dangets 4y ago
It is not just the people in government today that you need to worry about. It is anyone in the potential future also that may abuse these initiatives.
- Sakos 4y ago
  This is the biggest danger. These technologies are a boon to the potential future populist dictators of Europe. It starts with Orban. Who knows where it might end?
stef25 4y ago
> It always amazes me how anyone can be technologically literate and still think world governments should be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to things like this Yes I do think that. I'm very familiar with how the EU institutions work and I don't like it, so I'm no fan boy and certainly not trying to defend these kind of proposals. I realize I'm preaching to a very cynical crowd here but I just don't see EU countries locking up innocent people accused of being pedophiles en masse by some garbage AI (different story entirely in the US or China). Justice here massively leans toward giving people the benefit of the doubt, imposing light sentences etc. much to everyone's frustration.
- shakna 4y ago
  > I realize I'm preaching to a very cynical crowd here but I just don't see EU countries locking up innocent people accused of being pedophiles en masse by some garbage AI 555 wrongful fraud convictions because of Second Sight, between 1996 and 2014, with a 2015 claim of no wrong doing and no system problems [0], in the UK. Rubina Nami, jailed for a year. Seema Misra jailed for longer, whilst innocent and pregnant. Noel Thomas jailed for twelve weeks at the age of 60 - the judge refusing to consider a flaw in the computer system to be possible, because of a report that concluded: > If the Horizon system was flawed, I would expect to see issues raised by all 14,000 branches in the UK and not only a handful. They locked up people over a garbage AI system over something much less sensitive than protecting children. Recently. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal
  - stef25 4y ago
    Fair enough, thanks for pointing this out.
- nix23 4y ago
  Have you seen how well assange was treated? And yes GB whas then still in the EU. Hell even nice sweden accused him of rape, even if they knew that it's bogus. Spain jails you just because you want to be independent, just image that Washington jails a Texan governor for trying to be independent. Europe is in parts not far away from the Turkish legal system.

dangets 4y ago

It is not just the people in government today that you need to worry about. It is anyone in the potential future also that may abuse these initiatives.

Sakos 4y ago
This is the biggest danger. These technologies are a boon to the potential future populist dictators of Europe. It starts with Orban. Who knows where it might end?

stef25 4y ago

> It always amazes me how anyone can be technologically literate and still think world governments should be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to things like this Yes I do think that. I'm very familiar with how the EU institutions work and I don't like it, so I'm no fan boy and certainly not trying to defend these kind of proposals. I realize I'm preaching to a very cynical crowd here but I just don't see EU countries locking up innocent people accused of being pedophiles en masse by some garbage AI (different story entirely in the US or China). Justice here massively leans toward giving people the benefit of the doubt, imposing light sentences etc. much to everyone's frustration.

shakna 4y ago
> I realize I'm preaching to a very cynical crowd here but I just don't see EU countries locking up innocent people accused of being pedophiles en masse by some garbage AI 555 wrongful fraud convictions because of Second Sight, between 1996 and 2014, with a 2015 claim of no wrong doing and no system problems [0], in the UK. Rubina Nami, jailed for a year. Seema Misra jailed for longer, whilst innocent and pregnant. Noel Thomas jailed for twelve weeks at the age of 60 - the judge refusing to consider a flaw in the computer system to be possible, because of a report that concluded: > If the Horizon system was flawed, I would expect to see issues raised by all 14,000 branches in the UK and not only a handful. They locked up people over a garbage AI system over something much less sensitive than protecting children. Recently. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal
- stef25 4y ago
  Fair enough, thanks for pointing this out.
nix23 4y ago
Have you seen how well assange was treated? And yes GB whas then still in the EU. Hell even nice sweden accused him of rape, even if they knew that it's bogus. Spain jails you just because you want to be independent, just image that Washington jails a Texan governor for trying to be independent. Europe is in parts not far away from the Turkish legal system.