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Most (all?) restrictions where imposed by the governments. Can you give us more details or some example on that “total control” the European Commission actually

Most (all?) restrictions where imposed by the governments. Can you give us more details or some example on that “total control” the European Commission actually exercised.

vetinari 4y ago
And the national government excuse usually is, that they do it according to EU rules, directive or whatever. Denying responsibility at all levels at its finest. There are rare examples of resistance, like the attempt of Czech government to resist the EU firearms directive by putting the right to self-defense with a gun into the constitution. But mostly they just fold over.
- Cthulhu_ 4y ago
  There was no such thing from the EU; travel restrictions were imposed by individual countries first and foremost. You call it "fold over", but if you think of a positive thing, it's cooperation. Because we have open borders - which, if you look at Brexit, is a huge advantage for trade and the like - it doesn't make sense to allow firearms in one country but ban them in another. It's a give and take situation. The UK decided they didn't want any part in it and... it decimated their economy, their imports and exports, their properties owned abroad, and any companies operating under an .eu domain name; it's caused an economic shift in Ireland which may very well be on the way to unification now, and it may trigger Scotland to leave the Commonwealth and join the EU.
  - vetinari 4y ago
    UK was never in Schengen; as an EU citizen, I had to go through ID check all the time. The only difference now is that I have to show passport, national ID is not enough anymore. Guns were never allowed to circulate freely; even in Schengen countries, you need both export and import permit from both countries to bring it into another country. Fun when you attend competitive events ;). You could argue that you could do it lawlessly, without permit, but then, you could own gun lawlessly, without permit too; the criminals won't bother, only the lawful citizens, who is targeted by the regulation, will. It would be "cooperation", if there was a consent of the governed. Now it is just diktat. This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lHVcvJdWIs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lHVcvJdWIs is not so funny when you realize, how true it is.
  - zx85wes 4y ago
    Please inform the IMF of this decimation. They seem to be unaware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_projected_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita#IMF_projections_for_2020_through_2027 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_...
conradfr 4y ago
Imposed by governments that miraculously took all the same measures at the same time (except Sweden, somehow).
sharken 4y ago
The COVID pass is one such example, it has recently been extended until summer 2023. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/11/covid-19-council-agrees-to-extend-the-regulation-establishing-the-eu-digital-covid-certificate/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022...

Most (all?) restrictions where imposed by the governments. Can you give us more details or some example on that “total control” the European Commission actually exercised.

vetinari 4y ago

And the national government excuse usually is, that they do it according to EU rules, directive or whatever. Denying responsibility at all levels at its finest. There are rare examples of resistance, like the attempt of Czech government to resist the EU firearms directive by putting the right to self-defense with a gun into the constitution. But mostly they just fold over.

Cthulhu_ 4y ago
There was no such thing from the EU; travel restrictions were imposed by individual countries first and foremost. You call it "fold over", but if you think of a positive thing, it's cooperation. Because we have open borders - which, if you look at Brexit, is a huge advantage for trade and the like - it doesn't make sense to allow firearms in one country but ban them in another. It's a give and take situation. The UK decided they didn't want any part in it and... it decimated their economy, their imports and exports, their properties owned abroad, and any companies operating under an .eu domain name; it's caused an economic shift in Ireland which may very well be on the way to unification now, and it may trigger Scotland to leave the Commonwealth and join the EU.
- vetinari 4y ago
  UK was never in Schengen; as an EU citizen, I had to go through ID check all the time. The only difference now is that I have to show passport, national ID is not enough anymore. Guns were never allowed to circulate freely; even in Schengen countries, you need both export and import permit from both countries to bring it into another country. Fun when you attend competitive events ;). You could argue that you could do it lawlessly, without permit, but then, you could own gun lawlessly, without permit too; the criminals won't bother, only the lawful citizens, who is targeted by the regulation, will. It would be "cooperation", if there was a consent of the governed. Now it is just diktat. This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lHVcvJdWIs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lHVcvJdWIs is not so funny when you realize, how true it is.
- zx85wes 4y ago
  Please inform the IMF of this decimation. They seem to be unaware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_projected_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita#IMF_projections_for_2020_through_2027 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_...

conradfr 4y ago

Imposed by governments that miraculously took all the same measures at the same time (except Sweden, somehow).

sharken 4y ago

The COVID pass is one such example, it has recently been extended until summer 2023. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/11/covid-19-council-agrees-to-extend-the-regulation-establishing-the-eu-digital-covid-certificate/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022...