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> full control in the name of COVID Apart from closing bars and restaurants etc what sort of full control did the EU impose?

by stef25 4y ago

cvak 4y ago
nothing, it was in countries jurisdiction, actually people were calling for more central response from EU, but they didn't have any means/rights. Only thing EU did afaik, was EU covid certificates, which I'm eternally grateful for.
- baisq 4y ago
  Grateful why? They served to restrict our rights.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    Because EU recogniced certifcates made travel within the EU possible and, besides some funny rules for border crossings, almost pain free. Just imagine going from Geany to France would require to get your German vaccination certificate recognised by the French first, as one example.
    - VancouverMan 4y ago
      When one set of government-imposed policies artificially inhibits travel, another set of government-imposed policies that artificially adds exceptions to that first set of policies shouldn't be seen as providing salvation. "Travel within the EU" would have been "possible" and "pain free" if the various governments had just not imposed any travel restrictions in the first place.
      - cvak 4y ago
        Yeah exactly! But at least like this, you just have one certificate, and not 5.
    - ls15 4y ago
      > Just imagine going from Geany to France would require to get your German vaccination certificate recognised by the French first, as one example. Just imagine going from A to B without having to show a useless certificate.
      - hef19898 4y ago
        I am old enough to remember passport controls when going skiing in Austria, which was 30 km away from my home. Hell, imagine to show documentation at nation borders! The audacity!
avianlyric 4y ago
Even then it was national governments, not the EU, imposing those controls. I’m not aware of any COVID measures that was bought in solely via powers the EU has. I assume that would take far too long, as every new directive from the EU needs to implemented by each member state separately.
uniqueuid 4y ago
Even closing of bars and restaurands was not imposed by the EU because it does not have the legal powers required to do that. Please read up on competences of institutions before directing blame, everyone. The EU has exclusive power in customs, openness of the internal market, monetary policy, internal commercial policy and some selected international treaties. Member states are furthermore prevented from interfering from EU regulation - if it exists - in some areas of agriculture, environment and consumer protection, transport and energy and meta directives in legal fairness and security. There is no competency for regulating health, that is solely member state responsibility. Regulation of digital markets needs to attach to these powers, and so is derived mostly from a need to protect competition and internal markets.

> full control in the name of COVID Apart from closing bars and restaurants etc what sort of full control did the EU impose?

by stef25 4y ago

> full control in the name of COVID Apart from closing bars and restaurants etc what sort of full control did the EU impose?

cvak 4y ago

nothing, it was in countries jurisdiction, actually people were calling for more central response from EU, but they didn't have any means/rights. Only thing EU did afaik, was EU covid certificates, which I'm eternally grateful for.

baisq 4y ago
Grateful why? They served to restrict our rights.
- hef19898 4y ago
  Because EU recogniced certifcates made travel within the EU possible and, besides some funny rules for border crossings, almost pain free. Just imagine going from Geany to France would require to get your German vaccination certificate recognised by the French first, as one example.
  - VancouverMan 4y ago
    When one set of government-imposed policies artificially inhibits travel, another set of government-imposed policies that artificially adds exceptions to that first set of policies shouldn't be seen as providing salvation. "Travel within the EU" would have been "possible" and "pain free" if the various governments had just not imposed any travel restrictions in the first place.
    - cvak 4y ago
      Yeah exactly! But at least like this, you just have one certificate, and not 5.
  - ls15 4y ago
    > Just imagine going from Geany to France would require to get your German vaccination certificate recognised by the French first, as one example. Just imagine going from A to B without having to show a useless certificate.
    - hef19898 4y ago
      I am old enough to remember passport controls when going skiing in Austria, which was 30 km away from my home. Hell, imagine to show documentation at nation borders! The audacity!

avianlyric 4y ago

Even then it was national governments, not the EU, imposing those controls. I’m not aware of any COVID measures that was bought in solely via powers the EU has. I assume that would take far too long, as every new directive from the EU needs to implemented by each member state separately.

uniqueuid 4y ago

Even closing of bars and restaurands was not imposed by the EU because it does not have the legal powers required to do that. Please read up on competences of institutions before directing blame, everyone. The EU has exclusive power in customs, openness of the internal market, monetary policy, internal commercial policy and some selected international treaties. Member states are furthermore prevented from interfering from EU regulation - if it exists - in some areas of agriculture, environment and consumer protection, transport and energy and meta directives in legal fairness and security. There is no competency for regulating health, that is solely member state responsibility. Regulation of digital markets needs to attach to these powers, and so is derived mostly from a need to protect competition and internal markets.