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> Cars can kill people. Should we ban those? In dense cities: yes.
by goodpoint 4y ago
> Cars can kill people. Should we ban those?
In dense cities: yes.
- Tade0 4y agoI would rather ban (too) dense cities. Nobody needs to live at a density of 10k+ people per square kilometre .
- Forgeties79 4y agoMakes a lot more sense than all the land we waste on roads and large lots for suburbia.
- pantalaimon 4y agoWhy? It's the most efficient use of resources and allows for some great cultural and public infrastructure to exist that just doesn't make sense without density.
- vetinari 4y agoJust because it is most efficient, does not mean it is enjoyable or that the life in such a hive isn't missing some qualities.
- pantalaimon 4y agoI find it quite enjoyable, everything is just a walk away and good public transport makes sense. You have enough people that even niche cultural offers will find an audience.
- ChadNauseam 4y agoIf you don’t find it enjoyable you’re welcome to not move there. Why try to ban it for everyone else?
- vetinari 4y agoI might be already there. Why do you want to move in and spoil it for us, who are already there? Find some other place, where building human hives is more welcome.
- Tade0 4y agoIs efficiency for the sake of efficiency worth it though? There's a second order effect I observed which I feel isn't discussed enough: when it's assumed that you can only walk/cycle or perhaps take the bus in an area, suddenly there's an additional premium imposed on space. The net result is accelerated gentrification. Anecdata: just about anyone I know from my generation was priced out of those walkable districts with access to public transportation they grew up in - simply because investors are aware of what is in demand, so they put all their money there and not into places you can only reliably access via car. What follows is people buying not homes, but apartments built in the middle of buttfuck nowhere and driving to/from there, because that's what they can afford. A net negative, but here we are. I'm all for livable cities, but what good is it if the only ones who can afford it are the 1%?
- pantalaimon 4y agoThat argument is ridiculous. So dense neighborhoods are popular, therefore prices are rising because more people want to live in a dense neighborhood. The solution to that is not "let's build more undesirable neighborhoods so prices are not increasing" but to change zoning regulations so more dense neighborhoods can be build to satisfy demand!
- Tade0 4y agoThe point I'm making is different - cars give you range and thus leverage in situations where you would otherwise be forced to buy/rent real estate close to the place you work/shop at and have to compete over it with those who buy it purely for investment purposes. Sure, this is suboptimal and those who opt to live further away and drive everywhere lose time and money but often they're not even eligible for a mortgage within city limits, so they don't have much of a choice anyway.
- tluyben2 4y agoOr are they living there for jobs? That’s what I always hear as excuse for people to live there, not that they like dense neighbourhoods. I am old though so my network and (news/social) reading habits might be different.
- pueblito 4y agoIt’s disgusting, that’s why. People stacked on each other living in shared filth breathing each other’s farts and hearing noise all the time… not to mention the obvious problem of how diseases spread in tight quarters.
- goodpoint 4y agoIf your idea of modern architecture is based on a slum maybe you should travel more.
- legalcorrection 4y agoLive in the pod. Eat the bugs.
- op00to 4y agoNobody needs to travel at more than 3-4 miles per hour.
- GekkePrutser 4y agoUhm maybe we want to? Not everyone likes rural life. And people in cities use public transport a lot. I don't even own a car myself anymore and haven't driven one in years.
- Tade0 4y agoI'm starting to think I've used the wrong units in my comment. 10k people per square kilometre is over twice as dense as an average European city, or around the density of New York. There's a lot of middle ground between that and rural life.
- GekkePrutser 4y agoNope, my city is 15k people per square kilometre. In fact if you don't count the periphery and uninhabited (industrial) areas we're at 28k. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcelona https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcelona And I love living here :) I just don't get why it's a bad thing to live in a high-density city. Most dense cities are now reducing car traffic a lot, and they have amazing public transport to make up for it.
- Forgeties79 4y agoI just think people who are spoiled by thousands of sqft properties with yards big enough for a small dwelling can’t relate to the idea that for many of us, where we sleep isn’t the same space we want to center our lives around. We don’t necessarily need to not ever see or hear other people either.