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I am totally with you. There is so much propaganda in this war it's borderline impossible to get anything but a cloudy view on things. Until recently Ukraine w

by herbst 4y ago

I am totally with you. There is so much propaganda in this war it's borderline impossible to get anything but a cloudy view on things. Until recently Ukraine was only in media for their gov breaking human rights and stuff like this, and now it's suddenly the long lost brother we all love so much. Sure RT was full of bullshit, but so are many local papers, Facebook and everything else. People taking clear sides when all they know is very filtered propaganda is sadening at least.

wiseowise 4y ago
> Until recently Ukraine was only in media for their gov breaking human rights and stuff like this, and now it's suddenly the long lost brother we all love so much. Citation needed.
- herbst 4y ago
  Kinda broad statement for a direct citation. However feel free to browse the Wikipedia article about the Ukraine many if not most of their recent crimes are listed there.
  - wiseowise 4y ago
    Surely you can link at least one.
    - herbst 4y ago
      Ok I guess? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Ukraine#Situation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Ukraine#Situ...
      - darkteflon 4y ago
        You’re referring to transgressions under Yanukovych? That’s not a great example, since he’s famously a Russian puppet, removed from office in the Maidan Revolution.
        CRConrad 4y ago
        > Yanukovych? That’s not a great example, since he’s famously a Russian puppet, removed from office in the Maidan Revolution. Coup! Coup! Remember, never call it the "Maidan Revolution", it was a coup! Oh, wait, sorry, you're not trying to prove you're a Russian troll, are you? ;-) But honestly, I've found that's the easiest heuristic, at least on Twitter: Whenever someone talks about the 2014 "coup" (or "Putsch") in Ukraine, they're a Putler RToll (<-- tpyoed that at first, noticed how fitting it was, so capitalised it).
        herbst 4y ago
        Things didn't really get better since then tho (judging blindly from Wikipedia). I don't know anything about their political figures but whatever started to get downhill 2010 didn't stop under whoever is leading now.
- walrusfromspace 4y ago
  While it is not 1:1 with regards to human rights there was a pivot in the media away from Ukraine's "Problem with far right violence"[1] after the war started[2] into "Azov battalion is only 10% Nazi so there are no Nazis in Ukraine" [1]Here I am quoting one of the articles in the image [2]https://i.imgur.com/tfJ7PtX.jpg https://i.imgur.com/tfJ7PtX.jpg
  - herbst 4y ago
    Calling all citizens to a crazy war to die in pride for their lands and forbidding men to leave to country also is a very nationalist move for a non nationalist country IMO
    - denton-scratch 4y ago
      Forbidding men to leave the country is rather natural, if you think you may have to mobilise or implement conscription (Russia's done it).
ptr 4y ago
> There is so much propaganda in this war it's borderline impossible to get anything but a cloudy view on things. No, this is incorrect. You can definitely get a pretty good picture. Saying that “you can only get a cloudy view” is a common Russian propaganda tactic aiming to neutralize the target.
- herbst 4y ago
  Why is everything that is against the main media russian propaganda these days?

by herbst 4y ago

wiseowise 4y ago

> Until recently Ukraine was only in media for their gov breaking human rights and stuff like this, and now it's suddenly the long lost brother we all love so much. Citation needed.

herbst 4y ago
Kinda broad statement for a direct citation. However feel free to browse the Wikipedia article about the Ukraine many if not most of their recent crimes are listed there.
- wiseowise 4y ago
  Surely you can link at least one.
  - herbst 4y ago
    Ok I guess? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Ukraine#Situation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Ukraine#Situ...
    - darkteflon 4y ago
      You’re referring to transgressions under Yanukovych? That’s not a great example, since he’s famously a Russian puppet, removed from office in the Maidan Revolution.
      - CRConrad 4y ago
        > Yanukovych? That’s not a great example, since he’s famously a Russian puppet, removed from office in the Maidan Revolution. Coup! Coup! Remember, never call it the "Maidan Revolution", it was a coup! Oh, wait, sorry, you're not trying to prove you're a Russian troll, are you? ;-) But honestly, I've found that's the easiest heuristic, at least on Twitter: Whenever someone talks about the 2014 "coup" (or "Putsch") in Ukraine, they're a Putler RToll (<-- tpyoed that at first, noticed how fitting it was, so capitalised it).
      - herbst 4y ago
        Things didn't really get better since then tho (judging blindly from Wikipedia). I don't know anything about their political figures but whatever started to get downhill 2010 didn't stop under whoever is leading now.
walrusfromspace 4y ago
While it is not 1:1 with regards to human rights there was a pivot in the media away from Ukraine's "Problem with far right violence"[1] after the war started[2] into "Azov battalion is only 10% Nazi so there are no Nazis in Ukraine" [1]Here I am quoting one of the articles in the image [2]https://i.imgur.com/tfJ7PtX.jpg https://i.imgur.com/tfJ7PtX.jpg
- herbst 4y ago
  Calling all citizens to a crazy war to die in pride for their lands and forbidding men to leave to country also is a very nationalist move for a non nationalist country IMO
  - denton-scratch 4y ago
    Forbidding men to leave the country is rather natural, if you think you may have to mobilise or implement conscription (Russia's done it).

ptr 4y ago

> There is so much propaganda in this war it's borderline impossible to get anything but a cloudy view on things. No, this is incorrect. You can definitely get a pretty good picture. Saying that “you can only get a cloudy view” is a common Russian propaganda tactic aiming to neutralize the target.

herbst 4y ago
Why is everything that is against the main media russian propaganda these days?