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Deflection. Neighbours of Russia want to join NATO to prevent Russia invading them. And for good reason. No "mysterious" CIA-manipulation needed.

aa-jv 4y ago
- klausjensen 4y ago
  Again, you are just deflecting, trying to distract from the core: The neighbours of Russia do not want to be invaded by Russia, so they join NATO.
  - aa-jv 4y ago
    It could as easily be stated that nations join NATO in order to participate in NATO's war crimes, and share its war treasures. For the same reason that immigrants come to USA - because that's not where the bombs are falling. Both statements are valid, and have just as much evidence supporting them.
    - klausjensen 4y ago
      ...So now the Finns are joining NATO to participate in NATO war-crimes? I did once have to sit through a Finn slaughtering a karaoke version of "Sweet Caroline", but I would hardly consider it a war-crime.
      - aa-jv 4y ago
        Do you deny that NATO is committing war crimes and crimes against humanity on states its member-politicians have 'declared inferior'? Finland is just as capable of xenophobia as any other NATO member.
        CRConrad 4y ago
        > Finland is just as capable of xenophobia as any other NATO member. Yup. And with you as the xeno, that's no wonder.
        philistine 4y ago
        What does that have to do with the core claim that NATO protects Russian neighbours? NATO can be a vile alliance of war criminals, AND an alliance that protects Russian neighbours against invasion.
        spaniard89277 4y ago
        I'm sorry but what a weak reasoning. Why do eastern european countries join NATO, why does Finland joint? Because they want to raze the middle east and have xenophobia with Russians? No, they join NATO because it provides security against Russia, a neighbour they fear. And they have plenty of reasons for such fear.
        denton-scratch 4y ago
        > states its member-politicians have 'declared inferior'? Wut? Which politicians?
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- mcv 4y ago
  Not all media is owned by weapon manufacturers. There's tons of independent media here, unlike in Russia, where the government dictates what the media are allowed to say. They can't call the war a war, for example. That is propaganda. The West allows all viewpoints, including the Russian one. It's just that the Russian propaganda doesn't stand up to even the slightest scrutiny. Also, Iraq was not a NATO war. It was just the US and UK, and many NATO members opposed it. I would certainly still like to see the US war crimes in Iraq prosecuted. But that does not in any way justify the Russian invasion or war crimes. Two wrongs don't make a right.

aa-jv 4y ago

klausjensen 4y ago
Again, you are just deflecting, trying to distract from the core: The neighbours of Russia do not want to be invaded by Russia, so they join NATO.
- aa-jv 4y ago
  It could as easily be stated that nations join NATO in order to participate in NATO's war crimes, and share its war treasures. For the same reason that immigrants come to USA - because that's not where the bombs are falling. Both statements are valid, and have just as much evidence supporting them.
  - klausjensen 4y ago
    ...So now the Finns are joining NATO to participate in NATO war-crimes? I did once have to sit through a Finn slaughtering a karaoke version of "Sweet Caroline", but I would hardly consider it a war-crime.
    - aa-jv 4y ago
      Do you deny that NATO is committing war crimes and crimes against humanity on states its member-politicians have 'declared inferior'? Finland is just as capable of xenophobia as any other NATO member.
      - CRConrad 4y ago
        > Finland is just as capable of xenophobia as any other NATO member. Yup. And with you as the xeno, that's no wonder.
      - philistine 4y ago
        What does that have to do with the core claim that NATO protects Russian neighbours? NATO can be a vile alliance of war criminals, AND an alliance that protects Russian neighbours against invasion.
      - spaniard89277 4y ago
        I'm sorry but what a weak reasoning. Why do eastern european countries join NATO, why does Finland joint? Because they want to raze the middle east and have xenophobia with Russians? No, they join NATO because it provides security against Russia, a neighbour they fear. And they have plenty of reasons for such fear.
      - denton-scratch 4y ago
        > states its member-politicians have 'declared inferior'? Wut? Which politicians?
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mcv 4y ago
Not all media is owned by weapon manufacturers. There's tons of independent media here, unlike in Russia, where the government dictates what the media are allowed to say. They can't call the war a war, for example. That is propaganda. The West allows all viewpoints, including the Russian one. It's just that the Russian propaganda doesn't stand up to even the slightest scrutiny. Also, Iraq was not a NATO war. It was just the US and UK, and many NATO members opposed it. I would certainly still like to see the US war crimes in Iraq prosecuted. But that does not in any way justify the Russian invasion or war crimes. Two wrongs don't make a right.