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Now, your comment format follows a pretty typical pattern utilized by paid Russian trolls, so I'm likely wasting my time here. But anyway: There is a slight di

by bergie 4y ago

Now, your comment format follows a pretty typical pattern utilized by paid Russian trolls, so I'm likely wasting my time here. But anyway: There is a slight difference between de-platforming Russian propaganda channels in the West, and Russia jailing anybody speaking about the war in any other terms than those approved by Kremlin.

aa-jv 4y ago
- throw-ru-938 4y ago
  The Assange affair is certainly disgusting, but does the US have widespread political persecution the way Russia does?
  - aa-jv 4y ago
    Shall we really rattle off a list of political persecution in the USA? Because, honestly, you can't be so ignorant .. YES: The WEST DOES have political persecution the way Russia does. There is, literally, NO DIFFERENCE. Of course, we don't have evidence of a thousand Russian secret torture sites, like we do for the CIA (thanks Julian, thanks Edward), so there is some validity to the position that in fact the Wests' oppression apparatus is factually worse than Russia's, since those torture sites are spread across the globe, repressing, literally, dozens of other lesser sovereign states deemed unworthy by America's own utterly fascist military junta ..
    - RandomLensman 4y ago
      This is about picking a side. Luckily, people are free to move to the side they prefer (somehow Russia does not seem as popular as the "West"...). If you prefer the Russian system - move there. If you are totally indifferent, maybe make a coin toss.
      - aa-jv 4y ago
        Actually, its about choosing peace instead of picking sides. And yes I have left my 5-eyes birth nation, and abandoned any and all ties to nationalist mental disease, over this particular issue. You should, too.
        CRConrad 4y ago
        Nationalist, perhaps, but seem to have replaced it with several other varieties.
        aa-jv 4y ago
        Thankfully, an acceptance of blind coffeeshop psychological evaluations from random strangers is not one of them. Also, no irrational war-/blood-lust, nor xenophobia, in spite of a continued association with such clearly inflicted individuals.
    - rocqua 4y ago
      > The WEST DOES have political persecution the way Russia does. There is, literally, NO DIFFERENCE. There is a difference between "the west persecutes" and "the west is just as bad as Russia". I think just because the west does something bad does not immediately put them on the same level as Russia. Yes, both sides claim they are nigh-perfect and the other side is the worst ever. Just because both sides aren't near perfect doesn't mean that therefore both sides are equally bad. As a side-note. One of the sides has unilaterally invaded another country with intention to annex the last year. Whilst the other countries latest invasion is 20 years old, and now generally admitted to have been a bad and illegal invasion.
      - aa-jv 4y ago
        Yemen? Somalia? Genocide is happening under NATO's watchful gaze, from its bases, with its resources. Again: the moral authority you claim, simply does not exist.
    - throw-ru-938 4y ago
      > Because, honestly, you can't be so ignorant .. YES: The WEST DOES have political persecution the way Russia does. With all due respect which is none, I don't think you personally know someone who was persecuted in some way or another. I do know several. (Assuming you're in the US) > Of course, we don't have evidence of a thousand Russian secret torture sites https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/12/20/human-rights-project-gulagu-net-releases-more-footage-of-torture-in-russian-prisons https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/12/20/human-rights-project-gu... Also, you're exhibiting survivor bias: Russia had no Assange of its own, but this does not mean it doesn't have this kind of dirty secrets.
- mattgperry 4y ago
  There is a difference between his case, leaking state secrets, and jailing journos for a disagreement. I don't agree with how he's been handled but there is zero moral equivalence.
jhugo 4y ago
> There is a slight difference between de-platforming Russian propaganda channels in the West, and Russia jailing anybody speaking about the war in any other terms than those approved by Kremlin. It's worth considering that the former is probably more effective, and certainly makes fewer people upset.
2Gkashmiri 4y ago
i literally said i come neither from russia nor america so i am basically more "independent" from you if you are an american citizen or the like. manning/assange anyone? oh they are terrorists right? for giving sensitive information to enemies but russian or chinese defectors are given "protection" because they do the same for america but if russia/china goes after them, well..... you know
- CRConrad 4y ago
  > i literally said i come neither from russia nor america But that is of course exactly what you'd say if you were a Russian troll. I noticed the clue "Kashmiri" in your name only after my previous reply to a comment of yours. So, if that means your "third world country far away" is India... Yeah, pretty goddamn Russia-aligned. Maybe consider whether your own "neutral" media environment is really that neutral at all?
herbst 4y ago
Honest question, how do I know that you saying this is not a typical response from a US-troll farm?
- wiseowise 4y ago
  What does US gain from this?
  - herbst 4y ago
    Doesn't the US follow any political or foreign interests? I am sure they gain from stabilizing their dominance in some way.

by bergie 4y ago

aa-jv 4y ago

throw-ru-938 4y ago
The Assange affair is certainly disgusting, but does the US have widespread political persecution the way Russia does?
- aa-jv 4y ago
  Shall we really rattle off a list of political persecution in the USA? Because, honestly, you can't be so ignorant .. YES: The WEST DOES have political persecution the way Russia does. There is, literally, NO DIFFERENCE. Of course, we don't have evidence of a thousand Russian secret torture sites, like we do for the CIA (thanks Julian, thanks Edward), so there is some validity to the position that in fact the Wests' oppression apparatus is factually worse than Russia's, since those torture sites are spread across the globe, repressing, literally, dozens of other lesser sovereign states deemed unworthy by America's own utterly fascist military junta ..
  - RandomLensman 4y ago
    This is about picking a side. Luckily, people are free to move to the side they prefer (somehow Russia does not seem as popular as the "West"...). If you prefer the Russian system - move there. If you are totally indifferent, maybe make a coin toss.
    - aa-jv 4y ago
      Actually, its about choosing peace instead of picking sides. And yes I have left my 5-eyes birth nation, and abandoned any and all ties to nationalist mental disease, over this particular issue. You should, too.
      - CRConrad 4y ago
        Nationalist, perhaps, but seem to have replaced it with several other varieties.
        aa-jv 4y ago
        Thankfully, an acceptance of blind coffeeshop psychological evaluations from random strangers is not one of them. Also, no irrational war-/blood-lust, nor xenophobia, in spite of a continued association with such clearly inflicted individuals.
  - rocqua 4y ago
    > The WEST DOES have political persecution the way Russia does. There is, literally, NO DIFFERENCE. There is a difference between "the west persecutes" and "the west is just as bad as Russia". I think just because the west does something bad does not immediately put them on the same level as Russia. Yes, both sides claim they are nigh-perfect and the other side is the worst ever. Just because both sides aren't near perfect doesn't mean that therefore both sides are equally bad. As a side-note. One of the sides has unilaterally invaded another country with intention to annex the last year. Whilst the other countries latest invasion is 20 years old, and now generally admitted to have been a bad and illegal invasion.
    - aa-jv 4y ago
      Yemen? Somalia? Genocide is happening under NATO's watchful gaze, from its bases, with its resources. Again: the moral authority you claim, simply does not exist.
  - throw-ru-938 4y ago
    > Because, honestly, you can't be so ignorant .. YES: The WEST DOES have political persecution the way Russia does. With all due respect which is none, I don't think you personally know someone who was persecuted in some way or another. I do know several. (Assuming you're in the US) > Of course, we don't have evidence of a thousand Russian secret torture sites https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/12/20/human-rights-project-gulagu-net-releases-more-footage-of-torture-in-russian-prisons https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/12/20/human-rights-project-gu... Also, you're exhibiting survivor bias: Russia had no Assange of its own, but this does not mean it doesn't have this kind of dirty secrets.
mattgperry 4y ago
There is a difference between his case, leaking state secrets, and jailing journos for a disagreement. I don't agree with how he's been handled but there is zero moral equivalence.

jhugo 4y ago

> There is a slight difference between de-platforming Russian propaganda channels in the West, and Russia jailing anybody speaking about the war in any other terms than those approved by Kremlin. It's worth considering that the former is probably more effective, and certainly makes fewer people upset.

2Gkashmiri 4y ago

i literally said i come neither from russia nor america so i am basically more "independent" from you if you are an american citizen or the like. manning/assange anyone? oh they are terrorists right? for giving sensitive information to enemies but russian or chinese defectors are given "protection" because they do the same for america but if russia/china goes after them, well..... you know

CRConrad 4y ago
> i literally said i come neither from russia nor america But that is of course exactly what you'd say if you were a Russian troll. I noticed the clue "Kashmiri" in your name only after my previous reply to a comment of yours. So, if that means your "third world country far away" is India... Yeah, pretty goddamn Russia-aligned. Maybe consider whether your own "neutral" media environment is really that neutral at all?

herbst 4y ago

Honest question, how do I know that you saying this is not a typical response from a US-troll farm?

wiseowise 4y ago
What does US gain from this?
- herbst 4y ago
  Doesn't the US follow any political or foreign interests? I am sure they gain from stabilizing their dominance in some way.