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Let's hope that Sweden will also follow suit.

by omega3 4y ago

occz 4y ago
News reports claim insiders are saying they will as well: https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/planen-skicka-in-en-ansokan-pa-mandag/ https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/planen-skicka-in-en-ansokan...
jacquesm 4y ago
They more or less have to, the chances of Sweden becoming the next target for Putins belligerence have just gone up by 50%. It's the only country left that he can attack without immediate repercussions from NATO, though I suspect that even without NATO membership the EU would react very strongly to any attempt to make a mess in Sweden.
- justin66 4y ago
  > It's the only country left that he can attack without immediate repercussions from NATO Moldova?
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    Already done... sadly. https://kyivindependent.com/national/transnistria-becomes-potential-hotspot-in-russias-war/ https://kyivindependent.com/national/transnistria-becomes-po...
hugg 4y ago
I hope not. To me it seems very unnecessary (please hear me out), first of all, it seems to be the common idea that Russia is losing the war, has a weak military, cannot invade another country successfully, but at the same time, we should be afraid of them? I've heard the argument that it's the nukes that we should be afraid of, but does joining NATO really mean that they will surely not use them? I also assume that if they did use the nukes, they would target NATO countries anyway. Don't get me wrong I do not support the war started by Russia AT ALL
- omega3 4y ago
  > we should be afraid of them? If all the war crimes, targeting of infrastructure, civilians, hospitals, forced deportation, looting, torture, setting up of artificial breakaway states hasn't so far convinced you then I'm afraid nothing ever will.
  - hugg 4y ago
    And it still seems realistic to you they will somehow invade Sweden by land and do these things?
    - omega3 4y ago
      It didn't seem realistic that they'll invade Ukraine yet they did (not in Desert Storm fashion but Mongol invasion way) You join an alliance like NATO to prepare for the possibility of a Russia invasion however likely/unlikely it is at a given point. As for Sweden in particular Gotland is 300km from Russia and it was remilitarized in 2016 - makes you wonder why.
    - doikor 4y ago
      The invasion of Sweden would most likely be limited to taking over Gotland to control the Baltic sea north of it. (Think Crimea not the full scale invasion of Ukraine)
    - cromka 4y ago
      So you're willing to take your chances because the bully beat up someone else first?
      - hugg 4y ago
        They've shown their true colors and played their hand. They're significantly weaker now and will be for many years to come
- wolverine876 4y ago
  > Russia is losing the war, has a weak military, cannot invade another country successfully, but at the same time, we should be afraid of them? No matter the outcome, it is a very bad result for Ukraine. Look at all the destruction, loss of life, and loss of money.

Let's hope that Sweden will also follow suit.

by omega3 4y ago

Let's hope that Sweden will also follow suit.

occz 4y ago

News reports claim insiders are saying they will as well: https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/planen-skicka-in-en-ansokan-pa-mandag/ https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/planen-skicka-in-en-ansokan...

jacquesm 4y ago

They more or less have to, the chances of Sweden becoming the next target for Putins belligerence have just gone up by 50%. It's the only country left that he can attack without immediate repercussions from NATO, though I suspect that even without NATO membership the EU would react very strongly to any attempt to make a mess in Sweden.

justin66 4y ago
> It's the only country left that he can attack without immediate repercussions from NATO Moldova?
- jacquesm 4y ago
  Already done... sadly. https://kyivindependent.com/national/transnistria-becomes-potential-hotspot-in-russias-war/ https://kyivindependent.com/national/transnistria-becomes-po...

hugg 4y ago

I hope not. To me it seems very unnecessary (please hear me out), first of all, it seems to be the common idea that Russia is losing the war, has a weak military, cannot invade another country successfully, but at the same time, we should be afraid of them? I've heard the argument that it's the nukes that we should be afraid of, but does joining NATO really mean that they will surely not use them? I also assume that if they did use the nukes, they would target NATO countries anyway. Don't get me wrong I do not support the war started by Russia AT ALL

omega3 4y ago
> we should be afraid of them? If all the war crimes, targeting of infrastructure, civilians, hospitals, forced deportation, looting, torture, setting up of artificial breakaway states hasn't so far convinced you then I'm afraid nothing ever will.
- hugg 4y ago
  And it still seems realistic to you they will somehow invade Sweden by land and do these things?
  - omega3 4y ago
    It didn't seem realistic that they'll invade Ukraine yet they did (not in Desert Storm fashion but Mongol invasion way) You join an alliance like NATO to prepare for the possibility of a Russia invasion however likely/unlikely it is at a given point. As for Sweden in particular Gotland is 300km from Russia and it was remilitarized in 2016 - makes you wonder why.
  - doikor 4y ago
    The invasion of Sweden would most likely be limited to taking over Gotland to control the Baltic sea north of it. (Think Crimea not the full scale invasion of Ukraine)
  - cromka 4y ago
    So you're willing to take your chances because the bully beat up someone else first?
    - hugg 4y ago
      They've shown their true colors and played their hand. They're significantly weaker now and will be for many years to come
wolverine876 4y ago
> Russia is losing the war, has a weak military, cannot invade another country successfully, but at the same time, we should be afraid of them? No matter the outcome, it is a very bad result for Ukraine. Look at all the destruction, loss of life, and loss of money.