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> Why is that? How much of a connection does a rich white socialite in New York have with a poor custodian from an immigrant family? Sure, their representative

> Why is that? How much of a connection does a rich white socialite in New York have with a poor custodian from an immigrant family? Sure, their representative may be trying to bring money into their district, but beyond that is it really possibly to represent both of their interests? Both of those vote Democrat. The middle class vote Republican.

dane-pgp 4y ago
What data do you base that on? "Among voters earning less than $100,000 (78 percent of voters), 55 percent said they voted Democratic, 43 percent Republican. Among those earning $100,000 or more, 47 percent voted Democratic and 52 percent Republican."[0] It's possible that the specific threshold chosen creates two artificial groupings which happen to have different partisan ratios, but if a similar trick can be done by splitting the population into three groupings then I'd be interested to see those numbers. [0] https://www.minnpost.com/health/2007/11/party-rich-democrats-or-republicans/ https://www.minnpost.com/health/2007/11/party-rich-democrats...
- yes_really 4y ago
  You need a threshold higher than 100k. With a threshold of 100k, the middle class is split in both groups earning <100k and >100k. The comment I replied to said "rich white socialite in New York". These people vote overwhelmingly democrat, often finance democrat causes, and support far-left rhetoric on social issues (at least openly, but not necessarily in their own families).
  - dane-pgp 4y ago
    I will concede that you are right about the average "rich white socialite in New York", but I was hoping you'd have some data to back your claim that "The middle class vote Republican." It doesn't actually seem like an unreasonable claim, especially as there are so many contradictory definitions for "middle class", but I think we'd have a clearer picture if we could say, for example, "The median wealth voter in the US is 55% likely to vote Republican". For context, here is what one source[0] says: > Democrats have a huge advantage (63 percent) with voters earning less than $15,000 per year. This advantage carries forward for individuals earning up to $50,000 per year, and then turns in the Republicans’ favor — with just 36 percent of individuals earning more than $200,000 per year supporting Democrats. > Interestingly, the median household income in the United States is $49,777 — right near the point where the Democratic advantage disappears and the Republicans take over. [0] https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/economic-demographics-democrats/ https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/economic-demogra...
SamBam 4y ago
Voting for a single letter, D or R, is very different from voting for accurate representation of your beliefs and needs. Even taking the modern political reality, we have primary systems where one can choose, for example, a candidate that believes that Biden is an illegal president that belongs in jail and Democrats have a secret cabal of child-killers, vs one who merely thinks corporations should have lower taxes. My point was that a single district can only be represented by one of these very different people.

dane-pgp 4y ago

What data do you base that on? "Among voters earning less than $100,000 (78 percent of voters), 55 percent said they voted Democratic, 43 percent Republican. Among those earning $100,000 or more, 47 percent voted Democratic and 52 percent Republican."[0] It's possible that the specific threshold chosen creates two artificial groupings which happen to have different partisan ratios, but if a similar trick can be done by splitting the population into three groupings then I'd be interested to see those numbers. [0] https://www.minnpost.com/health/2007/11/party-rich-democrats-or-republicans/ https://www.minnpost.com/health/2007/11/party-rich-democrats...

yes_really 4y ago
You need a threshold higher than 100k. With a threshold of 100k, the middle class is split in both groups earning <100k and >100k. The comment I replied to said "rich white socialite in New York". These people vote overwhelmingly democrat, often finance democrat causes, and support far-left rhetoric on social issues (at least openly, but not necessarily in their own families).
- dane-pgp 4y ago
  I will concede that you are right about the average "rich white socialite in New York", but I was hoping you'd have some data to back your claim that "The middle class vote Republican." It doesn't actually seem like an unreasonable claim, especially as there are so many contradictory definitions for "middle class", but I think we'd have a clearer picture if we could say, for example, "The median wealth voter in the US is 55% likely to vote Republican". For context, here is what one source[0] says: > Democrats have a huge advantage (63 percent) with voters earning less than $15,000 per year. This advantage carries forward for individuals earning up to $50,000 per year, and then turns in the Republicans’ favor — with just 36 percent of individuals earning more than $200,000 per year supporting Democrats. > Interestingly, the median household income in the United States is $49,777 — right near the point where the Democratic advantage disappears and the Republicans take over. [0] https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/economic-demographics-democrats/ https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/economic-demogra...

SamBam 4y ago

Voting for a single letter, D or R, is very different from voting for accurate representation of your beliefs and needs. Even taking the modern political reality, we have primary systems where one can choose, for example, a candidate that believes that Biden is an illegal president that belongs in jail and Democrats have a secret cabal of child-killers, vs one who merely thinks corporations should have lower taxes. My point was that a single district can only be represented by one of these very different people.