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>>> explain the lack of or minority of or low density of infections surrounding the Wuhan Institute of Virology, nor can they explain the preponderance of and high density of infections tightly surrounding the Wuhan Fish Market. OK, how about a lab person took it out of the lab and released it at the market?

Maursault 4y ago
> OK, how about a lab person took it out of the lab and released it at the market? Well, you're going to need to identify that individual and their exact means, motive, and opportunity for causing a global pandemic. That is how we solve crimes. Except that Occam's Razor eliminates that possibility as unlikely because it is much simpler explanation that COVID-19 was caused by the conditions exactly like those found at the wet market, just like every other outbreak, epidemic and pandemic ever. So you're going to have a bit of difficulty identifying an individual that never existed and, even if they did, has no compelling motive.
- landemva 4y ago
  No, I don't need to do any of that. Spies sabotage countries all of the time.
  - chopin 4y ago
    You don't need to go that far. Corrupt (low level) employee sells lab animal remains at wet market would probably be enough.
    - Maursault 4y ago
      Except that it is a far more complicated explanation than simply accepting that the unsanitary conditions at the wet market with multiple species of wild animals in close proximity to people neatly explains all the evidence.
      - peteradio 4y ago
        This isn't any critique of this particular comment, but I feel like you are ignoring the known dynamics of Sars-cov-2. R_0 is dependent on population density around the person infected. An infected person walking down the street for miles amounts to very little R_0, until they enter a crowded sphere. Also, are you aware that there already have been lab leaks of similar nature [0]? Whether they go on to mature into a pandemic is a matter of state handling. You seem to dismiss the mechanism entirely just because it hasn't ever spread past a certain point. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC416634/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC416634/

Maursault 4y ago

> OK, how about a lab person took it out of the lab and released it at the market? Well, you're going to need to identify that individual and their exact means, motive, and opportunity for causing a global pandemic. That is how we solve crimes. Except that Occam's Razor eliminates that possibility as unlikely because it is much simpler explanation that COVID-19 was caused by the conditions exactly like those found at the wet market, just like every other outbreak, epidemic and pandemic ever. So you're going to have a bit of difficulty identifying an individual that never existed and, even if they did, has no compelling motive.

landemva 4y ago
No, I don't need to do any of that. Spies sabotage countries all of the time.
- chopin 4y ago
  You don't need to go that far. Corrupt (low level) employee sells lab animal remains at wet market would probably be enough.
  - Maursault 4y ago
    Except that it is a far more complicated explanation than simply accepting that the unsanitary conditions at the wet market with multiple species of wild animals in close proximity to people neatly explains all the evidence.
    - peteradio 4y ago
      This isn't any critique of this particular comment, but I feel like you are ignoring the known dynamics of Sars-cov-2. R_0 is dependent on population density around the person infected. An infected person walking down the street for miles amounts to very little R_0, until they enter a crowded sphere. Also, are you aware that there already have been lab leaks of similar nature [0]? Whether they go on to mature into a pandemic is a matter of state handling. You seem to dismiss the mechanism entirely just because it hasn't ever spread past a certain point. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC416634/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC416634/