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I'm guessing the link comes from my Show HN post earlier today about a generative diffusion process neural net assistant which let me create 60 pretty catchy me
by zone411 4y ago
I'm guessing the link comes from my Show HN post earlier today about a generative diffusion process neural net assistant which let me create 60 pretty catchy melodies that linked to this page (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31343944 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31343944).
One interesting question will be about copyrights. There are other melody-making programs but I'm not aware of anything catchy or worth registering with the U.S. Copyright Office being created by them. It costs $8.50/song. I've registered all 60 melodies I've posted so far since they all required my creative input, but with further advancements, the creative input will be reduced to cherry-picking best melodies. Eventually, a high enough percentage of the melodies created will be good enough that somebody will attempt to just register all of them. It's unclear whether they'll be judged as worthy of copyright protection under current laws or if these laws will be changed.
Another very interesting question is what's the number of "good" melodies. We could define this as being rated by random people at a level equivalent to an existing melody from a database (e.g. Hooktheory's) that they're not familiar with.
- bobowzki 4y agoIs this some form of melody squatting?
- kastnerkyle 4y agohttps://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/whats-the-point-of-writing-every-possible-melody/607120/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/02/whats... is an interesting related article on this topic
- damienriehl 4y agoI'm The Atlantic article's subject. To date, we have created — and copyrighted — about 400 billion (400,000,000,000) melodies. Here are descriptions: http://allthemusic.info/faqs/#What_have_you_created_so_far http://allthemusic.info/faqs/#What_have_you_created_so_far All of the melodies could be filed with the U.S. Copyright Office — as a "compilation" — much like a music album.
- kastnerkyle 4y agoI've been trying to follow your project since I heard about it - but hadn't read the link you posted here. Really thorough, really good description of many of the quagmires (with prior cases) of melody and music copyright. Thanks!
- dredmorbius 4y agoHas copyright been defended against any of those? I'm concerned about the "original authorship" requirement.
- bobsmooth 4y agoThankfully the (US) courts have ruled that copyright can only be held by a person and don't apply to algorithmically generated works.
- tracyhenry 4y agowhat software did you use to make the music visualizations? I'm guessing Unity/Blender but not sure. Really cool stuff btw!
- zone411 4y agoThanks. I used Piano VFX (it's a bit buggy but workable) and VSDC (it's missing any sort of more advanced functions like batch rendering but does visualizations very well).
- dheera 4y agoI have a theory that all the good melodies were already squatted by the classical masters before 1900 and therefore we now have to deal with all the dissonant modern crap that's usually inserted at the beginning of every concert program these days.
- scrozier 4y agoI have the opposite theory that the classical "masters" grabbed all the obvious low-hanging fruit and hypnotized the masses with mindless repetition for centuries. Finally, some of us have broken the spell, and can now enjoy more interesting, sometimes "dissonant" more modern melodies to enrich our aural lives.
- thaumasiotes 4y ago> It's unclear whether they'll be judged as worthy of copyright protection under current laws or if these laws will be changed. If your goal is to register the melodies, you can do that under current law. Write the melody down, register it. There is no inquiry into whether you morally deserve to benefit from the system.