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Why not? I want the features I use to be maintained. I am dead tired of advanced features being removed from applications I use. With web applications every
by naikrovek 4y ago
Why not? I want the features I use to be maintained. I am dead tired of advanced features being removed from applications I use.
With web applications every single round trip to the server is logged, inherently, and there are far more than one round trip to the server than there are page loads, I assure you. So it's ok there? "oh that's just logging, not telemetry." That's what telemetry is!
Google and Facebook track you (collect telemetry on you) across the entire web whether or not you use Google or Facebook AT ALL, and they each collect more information than Microsoft ever could. Google and Facebook do far worse things than Microsoft has ever done, but because they didn't ship a browser with their OS in the 1990s, they get a pass on everything, apparently.
I don't get it. the lies we tell ourselves are worse than anything anyone else could ever do to us, but we tell them to ourselves anyway because it is acceptable to crap on Microsoft, for imaginary reasons, and it isn't acceptable to crap on the companies doing the real bad stuff.
humanity is doomed. we are literally a garbage species.
- cryptonector 4y ago- it's more work when you're trying to stop data exfiltration / espionnage - privacy -- I've no idea what the telemetry says about me today, and I certainly don't know what they'll make it look for tomorrow - privacy -- even if the telemetry is fine, maybe information about my usage patterns might be more valuable to me than it might seem at first glance - performance -- every app, every library, all sending out telemetry? Please, no. - because I get to not want this
- naikrovek 4y agono one cares what you do. telemetry is only viewed in aggregate. it doesn't make sense, nor is it a good use of time, to scrutinize the telemetry of a single user for any reason. you keep on living in your town where the people don't have fingerprints or names, and the shoes leave no tracks. I'll be over here getting things done, because doing good work is far more important than avoiding being seen.
- cryptonector 4y agoI gave you more than just privacy arguments. Can you address those too?
- naikrovek 4y agoit's not more work when trying to stop exfiltration or espionage because telemetry doesn't get sent to random places. Microsoft publish the hostnames that receive telemetry. block them and you block telemetry from being sent. it still gets collected locally though. the performance argument is solid and I will see if I can measure that before I agree with you. from what I've read, at least among the common telemetry systems I know of (Azure Application Insights, OpenTelemetry, and Microsoft's system built into the OS), telemetry is gathered for a bit then sent in a batch, which would indicate that performance is at least a consideration.
- Spooky23 4y agoHow do you know what you’re sending up? With a website, you can control what you do where. If your terminal client is sending stuff to the sky, you never know what it’s actually doing.
- naikrovek 4y agoyou can see the exact data collected, what are you talking about?
- naikrovek 4y agoyes. Diagnostics Data Viewer[0]. you can use that tool to see what data is collected and even delete it all from Microsoft's servers. it's all plain JSON, too. but people still bitch endlessly about "spying" and foam at the mouth (literally) while they yell about it, acting like they know everything about the situation. [0] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/diagnostic-data-viewer-overview https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/diagnostic-...
- ploxiln 4y agoxterm, or urxvt, or bash, or nginx, never removed any advanced features, and they managed to do it without telemetry, and did it over the past few decades. amazing, how is it possible
- naikrovek 4y agodon't be obtuse, you know exactly what I'm talking about.