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> This is so 1984 1984 has never been about this. It's about the weaknesses of men, that would gladly change a reduction of the chocolate ration into an incre
by peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> This is so 1984
1984 has never been about this.
It's about the weaknesses of men, that would gladly change a reduction of the chocolate ration into an increase, because it's their job to lie and alter the past, believing they are doing god's work.
Also, in 1984 surveillance is secret, not publicly stated in a formal document visible by everybody.
Better examples of 1984 in action: the DDR, the NSA.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago"Big Brother" was a pretty big part of 1984, and I definitely have gotten "Big Brother" vibes from the EU these last few years, under the pretense of "we know better than you and we want to protect you". Having a good will doesn't make it okay for the EU to become a helicopter parent, nor do I like the prospect of that good will evaporating and them having access to what is effectively more and more surveillance.
- ClumsyPilot 4y agoThe point is that NSA in much more big brother and has been around for a decade
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago> "Big Brother" yeah, and what the Big Brother does to you if you don't follow rules is kept secret, by secret police agents, because 1 - the Big Brother doesn't physically exists 2 - people would revolt if they knew what really happens to deviants, so it's imperative they are kept in the dark (“Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious.” ) “If you want to keep a secret, you must also hide it from yourself.” So 1984 does not apply at all in this case, because the document is public and everyone can read it and eventually revolt against it
- kingcharles 4y agoI think of "1984" as a wider concept than just the conditions laid out in the book. I suspect most people do these days.