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Do you have the same impression: Each and every plugin/extension has a commercial pro version that keeps on nagging to buy its extended warrenty ... sorry, no,

Do you have the same impression: Each and every plugin/extension has a commercial pro version that keeps on nagging to buy its extended warrenty ... sorry, no, to subscribe to updates for just 29.99 each, right? So 29.99 for instagram connections, 39.99 for backups pro (i'm making names and prices up, but you know the drill.) and for just 20 dollars more a security/virus check for ... what?!?! are you f**king kidding me? I've started to use pelican. It creates a flat file-based website with all I need. (See: https://blog.getpelican.com/ https://blog.getpelican.com/)

tootie 4y ago
Are you running a basic blog? We have some WordPress sites that are sorta unloved, but they are able to use these commercial plugins for a few hundred bucks to enable custom forms, payments, event ticketing, event calendars and they're just one-click installs and some CSS.
_fat_santa 4y ago
It's not just the plugins, this culture seeps into just about every guide about Wordpress. Read any guide and it's almost never a person that is just offering helpful advice, it's almost always some SEO spam that leads you on only to hit you with "buy my services/plugins/etc to fix this problem". Last time I did any work around WP this drove me insane. I remember trying to setup backup or something else simple and I was loosing my mind because there wasn't a single guide that just told you how to do it, they all beat around the bush and eventually the post just turns into a sales copy for their plugin/service/other overpriced bullshit. Coming from the JS ecosystem, you realize just how different the culture is. Sure there are professional services in the JS ecosystem that cost money, but there's plenty of folks that are just trying to pay it forward and be helpful to the community, even the companies are good stewards. With Wordpress no, everyone is just out to make a quick buck selling you on something.
- stevenicr 4y ago
  You are right about much of what is out there sadly. I recently engaged in a spirited discussion about this issue ( https://wptavern.com/wordpress-product-launches-roundup-appexperts-wp-wallet-block-styles-and-stock-control-for-woocommerce#comment-422103 https://wptavern.com/wordpress-product-launches-roundup-appe... ) And it was uncovered that not only are people who are in close to the main development focused on releasing premium paid upgrades that require yearly fees - I contend that they are also holding back what should be basic styling options from being available in core as well. ( https://wptavern.com/wordpress-product-launches-roundup-appexperts-wp-wallet-block-styles-and-stock-control-for-woocommerce#comment-422258 https://wptavern.com/wordpress-product-launches-roundup-appe... ) I mean, just wow.
AussieWog93 4y ago
Honestly, those prices you mentioned are peanuts for a business customer. We'll pay something like US$30k/year in eBay fees (including paid promotions) for a relatively small home-based operation. We're moving to a warehouse soon, so that might be another $20k/year in rent. $30/year to solve a real problem our business has is a steal compared to this!
- johnchristopher 4y ago
  The fact you are being downvoted for saying this tells me more about the kind of people criticizing WordPress because of Gutenberg/update_cycles/but_what_about_bad_plugins/i_am_the_only_one_who_knows_hwo_to_write_good_wordpress_code_and_everyone_else_suck_at_this_but_me in this thread.
  - AussieWog93 4y ago
    More interestingly, after you made your comment everyone started upvoting it. HN hivemind or HN justice?

tootie 4y ago

Are you running a basic blog? We have some WordPress sites that are sorta unloved, but they are able to use these commercial plugins for a few hundred bucks to enable custom forms, payments, event ticketing, event calendars and they're just one-click installs and some CSS.

_fat_santa 4y ago

It's not just the plugins, this culture seeps into just about every guide about Wordpress. Read any guide and it's almost never a person that is just offering helpful advice, it's almost always some SEO spam that leads you on only to hit you with "buy my services/plugins/etc to fix this problem". Last time I did any work around WP this drove me insane. I remember trying to setup backup or something else simple and I was loosing my mind because there wasn't a single guide that just told you how to do it, they all beat around the bush and eventually the post just turns into a sales copy for their plugin/service/other overpriced bullshit. Coming from the JS ecosystem, you realize just how different the culture is. Sure there are professional services in the JS ecosystem that cost money, but there's plenty of folks that are just trying to pay it forward and be helpful to the community, even the companies are good stewards. With Wordpress no, everyone is just out to make a quick buck selling you on something.

stevenicr 4y ago
You are right about much of what is out there sadly. I recently engaged in a spirited discussion about this issue ( https://wptavern.com/wordpress-product-launches-roundup-appexperts-wp-wallet-block-styles-and-stock-control-for-woocommerce#comment-422103 https://wptavern.com/wordpress-product-launches-roundup-appe... ) And it was uncovered that not only are people who are in close to the main development focused on releasing premium paid upgrades that require yearly fees - I contend that they are also holding back what should be basic styling options from being available in core as well. ( https://wptavern.com/wordpress-product-launches-roundup-appexperts-wp-wallet-block-styles-and-stock-control-for-woocommerce#comment-422258 https://wptavern.com/wordpress-product-launches-roundup-appe... ) I mean, just wow.

AussieWog93 4y ago

Honestly, those prices you mentioned are peanuts for a business customer. We'll pay something like US$30k/year in eBay fees (including paid promotions) for a relatively small home-based operation. We're moving to a warehouse soon, so that might be another $20k/year in rent. $30/year to solve a real problem our business has is a steal compared to this!

johnchristopher 4y ago
The fact you are being downvoted for saying this tells me more about the kind of people criticizing WordPress because of Gutenberg/update_cycles/but_what_about_bad_plugins/i_am_the_only_one_who_knows_hwo_to_write_good_wordpress_code_and_everyone_else_suck_at_this_but_me in this thread.
- AussieWog93 4y ago
  More interestingly, after you made your comment everyone started upvoting it. HN hivemind or HN justice?