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> Well, I think our criteria for what constitutes 'journalism' are very different! You presented a Youtube video by a pro-Russian activist who has been repeate

by conz 4y ago

> Well, I think our criteria for what constitutes 'journalism' are very different! You presented a Youtube video by a pro-Russian activist who has been repeatedly caught out lying. I presented an actual journalist and credible domain expert who has not. That's my definition of what constitutes 'journalism'. Fundamentally, if you find Anne Applebaum unpalatable, there are a hundred others who are reporting truthfully from Ukraine, and not pushing Putin's propaganda. If you want to find 'the opposing view' about Ukraine, find a credible journalist or news source from the Russian free press and present their views. That's if you can find any remaining free press in Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Russia > As of 2022, Russia ranked 155 out of 180 countries in the Press Freedom Index compiled by Reporters Without Borders.[1] In the 2017 Freedom House Freedom of the Press report Russia scored 83 (100 being the worst), mostly because of new laws introduced in 2014 that further extended the state control over mass media.[2] Freedom House characterized the situation as even worse in Crimea where, after the 2014 annexation by Russia, both Russian jurisdiction and extrajudicial means are (according to Freedom House) routinely applied to limit freedom of expression. [EDIT: typo]

verisimi 4y ago
Anne Applebaum can't be "caught out lying" or smeared - because she is doing her job. Who's going to correct her? The governance structure supports her, has put her where she is, to do the job that she doing - perfectly! The governance structure would only attack her (or allow for her to be attacked) if she had stepped out of line, reporting on something that isn't on message. But they certainly won't find anything on her! I notice you don't comment on my info on Zelensky and the Panama papers. Isn't that newsworthy? Is that not a lie by omission? I mention it because Applebaum is fine to broach offshore issues apparently, and fine to laud Zelensky - but why are his long-term offshore activities unknown to the masses? Would it be because we - the good guys - are as propagandised as the baddies? We're even more propagandised, I'd say.
- conz 4y ago
  > I notice you don't comment on my info on Zelensky and the Panama papers. Isn't that newsworthy? Is that not a lie by omission? This has nothing to do with the original point of this thread, which I'll repeat is that Eva Bartlett cannot be trusted as a source of credible information: > Bartlett describes herself as an "independent writer and rights activist."[3] She writes commentary pieces for RT's website.Critics contend that her advocacy amounts to participation in a disinformation campaign whereby the aim is to lessen the responsibility of the Assad regime for the acts of indiscriminate killing during the war. > In late 2016, Bartlett gained controversy over a video that went viral, in which said that Syrians "overwhelmingly support" Bashar al-Assad, as evidenced by the results of the 2014 election.[13][14] The election was seen as illegitimate by a number of countries and international organizations,[15][16][17] while Russia has endorsed Assad's mandate. Further, she has characterized the White Helmets as being part of a Western propaganda campaign, alleging that rescues by that organization are hoaxes whereby they "recycle" the same children in footage of staged rescues,[13][14][18] and that "no one in eastern Aleppo has heard of [the White Helmets]".[13] In the same video, Bartlett falsely claimed that the al-Quds Hospital bombing in April 2016, where 55 died, never occurred, saying it was rebel propaganda.[4][19] Bartlett's claims were amplified by Russian-controlled outlets such as RT, Sputnik News and In The Now.[20][13] The claims were found to be false by Channel 4 News and Snopes.[1][3][4][5] The broader "same girl" internet meme has been categorized as a derivation of the "crisis actor" conspiracy theories Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Bartlett https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Bartlett
  - verisimi 4y ago
    Right - I guess you prefer a comforting story, to trying to discern truth from lies. All the best.

by conz 4y ago

verisimi 4y ago

Anne Applebaum can't be "caught out lying" or smeared - because she is doing her job. Who's going to correct her? The governance structure supports her, has put her where she is, to do the job that she doing - perfectly! The governance structure would only attack her (or allow for her to be attacked) if she had stepped out of line, reporting on something that isn't on message. But they certainly won't find anything on her! I notice you don't comment on my info on Zelensky and the Panama papers. Isn't that newsworthy? Is that not a lie by omission? I mention it because Applebaum is fine to broach offshore issues apparently, and fine to laud Zelensky - but why are his long-term offshore activities unknown to the masses? Would it be because we - the good guys - are as propagandised as the baddies? We're even more propagandised, I'd say.

conz 4y ago
> I notice you don't comment on my info on Zelensky and the Panama papers. Isn't that newsworthy? Is that not a lie by omission? This has nothing to do with the original point of this thread, which I'll repeat is that Eva Bartlett cannot be trusted as a source of credible information: > Bartlett describes herself as an "independent writer and rights activist."[3] She writes commentary pieces for RT's website.Critics contend that her advocacy amounts to participation in a disinformation campaign whereby the aim is to lessen the responsibility of the Assad regime for the acts of indiscriminate killing during the war. > In late 2016, Bartlett gained controversy over a video that went viral, in which said that Syrians "overwhelmingly support" Bashar al-Assad, as evidenced by the results of the 2014 election.[13][14] The election was seen as illegitimate by a number of countries and international organizations,[15][16][17] while Russia has endorsed Assad's mandate. Further, she has characterized the White Helmets as being part of a Western propaganda campaign, alleging that rescues by that organization are hoaxes whereby they "recycle" the same children in footage of staged rescues,[13][14][18] and that "no one in eastern Aleppo has heard of [the White Helmets]".[13] In the same video, Bartlett falsely claimed that the al-Quds Hospital bombing in April 2016, where 55 died, never occurred, saying it was rebel propaganda.[4][19] Bartlett's claims were amplified by Russian-controlled outlets such as RT, Sputnik News and In The Now.[20][13] The claims were found to be false by Channel 4 News and Snopes.[1][3][4][5] The broader "same girl" internet meme has been categorized as a derivation of the "crisis actor" conspiracy theories Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Bartlett https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Bartlett
- verisimi 4y ago
  Right - I guess you prefer a comforting story, to trying to discern truth from lies. All the best.