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They're in a cessna, with one other person piloting. I think spending a significant time around aviation is a given, but I also wouldn't call that flying experi

by Macha 5y ago

They're in a cessna, with one other person piloting. I think spending a significant time around aviation is a given, but I also wouldn't call that flying experience. It's not like being in the cabin in a commercial airliner, you'd see the pilot doing these things, and honestly as far as plane interfaces go, the Cessna is not bad. https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Flearntofly.ca%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F03%2FCessna-172-Instrument-Panel.jpg&f=1&nofb=1 https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F... Here's the instrument panel. While I wouldn't say every untrained person can just "figure it out", I think there are a decent number who would at least be able to get an altitude, heading, and vertical speed reading out of that. Especially if you'd spent some time in the last 30 minutes looking at them while your pilot friend is focused on flying. I've spent a signficant amount of time flying cessnas in MS flight sim and XPlane, but I wouldn't assume that would automatically carry over if I ended up in a situation like that, and I certainly would err on the side of caution and risk ATC thinking I had less knowledge than risk overstating it and risk something going wrong because they end up thinking I'd be confident performing an ILS approach or something.

vonseel 5y ago
The dials are in the middle and literally labeled altitude, airspeed in knots, etc. Not a great point from the Reddit armchair scientists but the guy who landed the plane obviously holds up well in stressful situations.
- Terry_Roll 5y ago
  > but the guy who landed the plane obviously holds up well in stressful situations Thats what you need a cool head when everyone else is losing theirs. Not only that if the pilot had any sense he would give any passenger in the front a TLDR for emergencies just as a common courtesy. TBH I'm surprised the various Aviation Authorities have not mandated some sort of TLDR emergency/safety guide for small planes and their passengers, unless of course they dont really care if one drops out of the sky killing everyone!?! Not a pilot, but taken control of a biplane, & helicopter, biplane is so easy, doing the nose dives like you see in the old war movies, bringing them up to stalling point etc, the plane even makes the same noise as you here in the movies, but its bloody cold even with your sheepskin coat on. Helicopters, now they are sensitive and the pilot wouldnt let me do the pedals, but it was a hover test, ie seeing how long I could keep it hovering. Have flown with ex red arrows doing the same stunts as a passenger, I think they tried their best to get me to use their sick back but they didnt succeed, haven't done any fighter jets yet, or any Air Racing but never say never! I would imagine the acceleration from a flight deck catapult must be on a par with a Porsche 911 Turbo S on launch control, maybe a bit better who knows?
  - GekkePrutser 5y ago
    At our club we had a mandatory passenger briefing but it's simply not possible to convey enough information to get them down safely. So it was basically a "don't touch anything" type of thing. This is with the exception of auto return to base autopilots and parachute systems like Cirrus's. Those are safe to be operated by passengers. But we didn't have either of those, most of the planes didn't even have an autopilot. The plane in the article was a Cessna 208 though and probably had one.
  - eru 5y ago
    > TBH I'm surprised the various Aviation Authorities have not mandated some sort of TLDR emergency/safety guide for small planes and their passengers, unless of course they dont really care if one drops out of the sky killing everyone!?! Having an untrained passenger is no worse than flying solo. The latter is clearly allowed, and should probably stay allowed?
    - eternityforest 5y ago
      Banning solo flight would make a lot of people unhappy. Having a passenger emergency checklist and explaining where the radio is doesn't sound like an undue burden if it actually makes a difference. It would be an opportunistic thing that only applies when it's near zero cost.
GekkePrutser 5y ago
This was a Cessna 208, not a 172. Possibly glass cockpit and definitely turboprop. It would look more like this unless it has the glass cockpit of course: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Cessna_208_Caravan_I%2C_Seawings_%28Jet-Ops%29_AN1347237.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Cessna_2...
- platz 5y ago
  can you even see out the front window with how low the seat is?
  - mlyle 5y ago
    Yah. This is something that is always messed up in pictures of cockpits or flight simulators. The eye is pretty wide angle compared to any reasonable looking photograph inside a cockpit. In the real world, when you sit up straight, you see just fine out of a tricycle gear airplane and see the runway ahead on the ground and the ground below you in the air. And then you slouch a couple inches and look down and have a great view of the bottom instruments.
- Macha 5y ago
  I believe elsewhere in this thread it was confirmed to have the older gauges, and I don't believe in this example it makes a meaningful difference in the readability of the primary instruments.

by Macha 5y ago

vonseel 5y ago

The dials are in the middle and literally labeled altitude, airspeed in knots, etc. Not a great point from the Reddit armchair scientists but the guy who landed the plane obviously holds up well in stressful situations.

Terry_Roll 5y ago
> but the guy who landed the plane obviously holds up well in stressful situations Thats what you need a cool head when everyone else is losing theirs. Not only that if the pilot had any sense he would give any passenger in the front a TLDR for emergencies just as a common courtesy. TBH I'm surprised the various Aviation Authorities have not mandated some sort of TLDR emergency/safety guide for small planes and their passengers, unless of course they dont really care if one drops out of the sky killing everyone!?! Not a pilot, but taken control of a biplane, & helicopter, biplane is so easy, doing the nose dives like you see in the old war movies, bringing them up to stalling point etc, the plane even makes the same noise as you here in the movies, but its bloody cold even with your sheepskin coat on. Helicopters, now they are sensitive and the pilot wouldnt let me do the pedals, but it was a hover test, ie seeing how long I could keep it hovering. Have flown with ex red arrows doing the same stunts as a passenger, I think they tried their best to get me to use their sick back but they didnt succeed, haven't done any fighter jets yet, or any Air Racing but never say never! I would imagine the acceleration from a flight deck catapult must be on a par with a Porsche 911 Turbo S on launch control, maybe a bit better who knows?
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  At our club we had a mandatory passenger briefing but it's simply not possible to convey enough information to get them down safely. So it was basically a "don't touch anything" type of thing. This is with the exception of auto return to base autopilots and parachute systems like Cirrus's. Those are safe to be operated by passengers. But we didn't have either of those, most of the planes didn't even have an autopilot. The plane in the article was a Cessna 208 though and probably had one.
- eru 5y ago
  > TBH I'm surprised the various Aviation Authorities have not mandated some sort of TLDR emergency/safety guide for small planes and their passengers, unless of course they dont really care if one drops out of the sky killing everyone!?! Having an untrained passenger is no worse than flying solo. The latter is clearly allowed, and should probably stay allowed?
  - eternityforest 5y ago
    Banning solo flight would make a lot of people unhappy. Having a passenger emergency checklist and explaining where the radio is doesn't sound like an undue burden if it actually makes a difference. It would be an opportunistic thing that only applies when it's near zero cost.

GekkePrutser 5y ago

This was a Cessna 208, not a 172. Possibly glass cockpit and definitely turboprop. It would look more like this unless it has the glass cockpit of course: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Cessna_208_Caravan_I%2C_Seawings_%28Jet-Ops%29_AN1347237.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Cessna_2...

platz 5y ago
can you even see out the front window with how low the seat is?
- mlyle 5y ago
  Yah. This is something that is always messed up in pictures of cockpits or flight simulators. The eye is pretty wide angle compared to any reasonable looking photograph inside a cockpit. In the real world, when you sit up straight, you see just fine out of a tricycle gear airplane and see the runway ahead on the ground and the ground below you in the air. And then you slouch a couple inches and look down and have a great view of the bottom instruments.
Macha 5y ago
I believe elsewhere in this thread it was confirmed to have the older gauges, and I don't believe in this example it makes a meaningful difference in the readability of the primary instruments.