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Red Hat RHEL 9 release
- VWWHFSfQ 4y agoThe word "Microsoft" appears 12 times in this press release. I always thought Microsoft would end up acquiring Red Hat, but IBM did it instead. Now I think they'll acquire Canonical. I think it's only a matter of time before we'll have a Microsoft Linux.
- ohthehugemanate 4y agohttps://github.com/microsoft/CBL-Mariner https://github.com/microsoft/CBL-Mariner Microsoft's linux platforms presently run mostly on Ubuntu. You're right that one way out of that dependency would be to buy Canonical. They chose to make their own top level Linux distro instead.
- rajishx 4y agoreading it from the README it does seem they use fedora/spec for packaging? is it ubuntu repackaged with rpm?
- rajishx 4y agoto be fair and try to dismiss your comment, it does seem the word Microsoft has been associated a lot with opensource companies and technologies lately.
- bityard 4y agoTo give MS credit, they are _much_ more friendly to open source than I ever believed they could be. I think the popularity of Linux and Mac for web/cloud development (which is almost entirely based around open source code) more or less forced their hand.
- ianai 4y agoIt’s a shock to me as well. I do think this direction leads to more revenue for them long term though. Clearly the Windows desktop isn’t quite enough for their future plans so they’ve got to play nice with emerging platforms, or something. (Sounds more like 2013 logic but you get the idea…)
- mistrial9 4y agofriendly, as in "we enable your chinese food order, we monitor you eating it, and we get some of yours when we want it" friendly
- xuhu 4y agoAWS or EC2 appear 13 times in the article, maybe it's just an emphasis on cloud vendors they were after.
- VTimofeenko 4y agoWell we already had Microsoft Unix: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix
- lightbulbjim 4y agoI've been waiting for Microsoft to acquire Canonical.
- nickstinemates 4y agoI think it almost happened once. Right before wsl launched. Thats what I heard anyway
- Lammy 4y agoIt could have been AOL :) https://web.archive.org/web/20020123134105/http://www.washtech.com/news/media/14759-1.html https://web.archive.org/web/20020123134105/http://www.washte...
- sph 4y agoCanonical has certainly done its hardest to align with Microsoft.
- parasense 4y agoI half suspect Microsoft was bidding for Red Hat, and potentially that provoked IBM into action. It's just a theory, but Red Hat for many years was setup to avoid hostile takeovers from the likes of IBM with so called poison pill stocks or whatever.
- sascha_sl 4y agoInteresting timing, Fedora 36 released today. RHEL 9 is surprisingly modern, being based on Fedora 34 which itself still has about a month of support remaining.
- totierne2 4y agoI like the number 8.
- totierne2 4y agoI thought 8 was relatively recent, I only started moving on to it. I am out of the loop, I do not know what I am missing out on in the latest 9 update and kernel. I moved on to mac/brew on the desktop 5 years ago. I use it as UNIX with supported hardware.
- tadbit 4y agoGiven what Red Hat and the CentOS project did to CentOS 8 I have no desire to use RHEL ever again. Right now it's just Ubuntu LTS and Debian for my needs. Working on eliminating RHEL at work as well, wherever I can.
- rjgonza 4y agoAmen! I share these thoughts and plan of action completely.
- geerlingguy 4y agoFor the few systems I upgraded to CentOS 8 back before it was killed, I switched them to Rocky Linux (Alma's also a good choice). I'm still waiting a bit longer to see whether I'll keep my toes in the RHEL-ecosystem-waters, or if I finish moving everything to Ubuntu LTS and Debian.
- tadbit 4y agoI think the work being done with Rocky and Alma linux is great! Many kudos to them. However, I'm worried history will simply repeat itself or RHEL will make downstreaming difficult in some way, which could kill those projects.
- otterley 4y agoMy understanding is that CentOS as we once knew it (the freely-distributable rebuild of EL 7 and earlier) withered away because its creator and primary maintainer was hired by Red Hat. There was a clear conflict of interest at that point, and Red Hat probably wasn't going to keep paying him to maintain a project in perpetuity that ate into their bottom line. https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/centos-project-leader-karanbir-singh-opens-up-on-red-hat-deal/ https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/centos-project-leader-k... So it's not so much that RHEL tried to strong-arm third-party rebuilders of Enterprise Linux - and I don't think it's in their culture to try - but people involved in these projects are always at risk of being bought out. Volunteering for open source can be a lot of work.
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- tkuraku 4y agoRedhat is my favorite Linux distro for my workstation. It just works and is rock solid. I wish they had a node locked license option like windows pro workstation,https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/d/windows-10-pro-for-workstations/dg7gmgf0dw9s?activetab=pivot:overviewtab https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/d/windows-10-pro-for-worksta..., for $300-500 for a major version instead of always having to manage subscriptions.
- nvr219 4y agoWhat hardware do you use it on
- tkuraku 4y agoAt work I have a dell t7920 desktop. At home I have a custome built desktop from 2014 with an Intel i7. Works like a charm.
- colechristensen 4y agoWhen RedHat officially supported a piece of hardware, and your large enterprise software officially supported RedHat, it was a pretty good setup. Lots of things which are otherwise a mess in Linux just weren't. Of course much of my experience on this was with things like $10k per seat software on a $5k workstation or similar. One of the reasons containerization is so popular is poorly supported software (on ubuntu mostly) just being broken and hard to work with combined with a pretty bad way to write and manage packages (apt).
- mikewave 4y ago> a pretty bad way to write and manage packages Cool, good to know this nearly 30 year old conflict is still just as active as ever. Tens of thousands of working DEB packages notwithstanding.
- colechristensen 4y agoHave you ever written one?
- antihero 4y agoIs there going to be an equivalent Rocky Linux?
- rubyist5eva 4y agoOf course, eventually - there is also Alma Linux which already has a beta available and the stable release will probably be ready in 2 weeks or so.
- maxnoe 4y agohttps://forums.rockylinux.org/t/rhel8-6-has-been-released-do-we-have-an-eta-for-rocky-8-6/6007/4 https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/rhel8-6-has-been-released-do... > If I had to guess, we may have a [8.6] release sometime this weekend or starting next week as we also continue to work on Rocky 9.
- hollerith 4y agoI always thought Rocky (and the old CentOS) would be simply an exactly copy of RHEL with the trademarked text and images removed, but "we also continue to work on Rocky 9", contradicts that.
- ianai 4y agoHow long until the RHEL tests are updated to 9? Started aiming at 8 recently.
- ungamedplayer 4y agoWhat rhel tests?
- ianai 4y agoRHCSA/RHCE
- ungamedplayer 4y agoAh, as a general rule they wont be changed over till the N.1 release of the next release.
- mbreese 4y agoAre there release notes available? What I’d really like to know is what has changed from 8? There’s usually a few major changes with the major version bump, so that’s what I was hoping to find here (or really linked from the press release, but I couldn’t find it).
- tkuraku 4y agohttps://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/9-beta/html-single/9.0_release_notes/index https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterp...
- mbreese 4y agoThanks for that. From there I got to here: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/9-beta/html-single/considerations_in_adopting_rhel_9/index https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterp... Which lists the differences between RHEL 8 and 9.
- nick238 4y agoPython 2 packages gone, so just need to wait for RHEL/CentOS 8 to die in 2029 and Python 2 should finally be gone?
- Macha 4y agoCentOS 8 is already dead, thanks to their latest changes. Red Hat gets paid for RHEL 8, they can pay someone to port stuff to Python 2 for their customers if they want it, but I believe the default python there is 3.6, with just an option to install 2.7 if you want it.
- RuggedPineapple 4y agoFinal version number where it can still be confused with the old Red Hat Linux.
- mekster 4y agoWould use RHEL variants if it wasn't for not supporting zfs as good as Ubuntu. zfs is too good to miss out and Ubuntu makes it so easy to use it. Ubuntu LTS is all that matters to me.
- aborsy 4y agoZFS is a major advantage of Ubuntu. ZFS on root is shipped by checking a box at installation. Great!
- happyjack 4y agoI have a legitimate question. How big is "desktop" Linux to RHEL (or Ubuntu, etc.) bottom line? I ran RHEL 7 and 8 workstation when I used to work in engineering / science (not development or comp sci.) and used specialty simulation software and did a lot of Windows emulation via Virtualbox and programming in Octave and Mathematica. I really did enjoy RHEL workstation, and GNOME was a good daily driver. Lot of packages for RHEL (especially with rpm fusion + fusion tainted), although some can be very old. I used it for my 9-5, and even ran a laptop with CentOS. Without the need for specialty simulators, I've converted to the Apple world, though. Server subscriptions pays the bills for RHEL (governments, banks, large companies, etc.). Is there a real market for "workstation?" Do they development a graphical OS as a community project? Anyone know the future of it? Are there enough paying customers at Universities and defense contractors using workstation that justify development of GNOME, Evolution, graphical programs, etc.? Would love to hear people's thoughts.
- kX4A8o4mVmX8aW 4y agoI have no insider info, this is just what I think. The Linux desktop is Red Hat's complement in the sense of commoditizing their complement. They don't actually care about it as such, but it needs to exist and they want it to be dirt cheap and highly available so it will drive customers to the products they do care about. Without it, they're just selling a grab bag of server/CLI/web-based tools that require a fleet of Windows or Mac desktops to manage, a very different value proposition to being a complete IT solution.
- happyjack 4y agoMirrors the previous comment. Makes sense to invest in Workstation and help it sell to the big boys and show that they have "full service" solutions.
- hollerith 4y agoOne thing RHEL's GUI does is make RHEL more real in the minds of prospective purchasers of RHEL server licenses. Windows has a big advantage: the prospect has probably personally used the product. Although Red Hat's attempt to replicate that advantage has failed (i.e., the vast majority of IT executives still run Windows on their personal computers), it remains the case that it is advantageous if the RHEL salesman can pull out a laptop running RHEL and show it to the prospect. "Show, don't tell," I believe is a saying among salesmen. Also, if the salesman's laptop is running RHEL, that is an costly signal to the prospect that Red Hat believes in its product enough to use it to support the IT needs of its salesmen. It is more persuasive than having the saleman tell the prospect, "Yes, my laptop runs Windows, admittedly, but it is communicating with a RHEL server, where all the data I need for my job is actually kept." Summary: desktop RHEL helps sell server RHEL.