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> This is the true face of the EU. Why is it so popular to bash EU here over non sequitur? is it jealousy or simply anti EU people not being able to mouth the

> This is the true face of the EU. Why is it so popular to bash EU here over non sequitur? is it jealousy or simply anti EU people not being able to mouth their opinions among their EU peers in Europe because they would be laughed at?

grnmamba 4y ago
Is that a rhetorical question? I'm bashing the EU because they are trying to create a surveillance state.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > I'm bashing the EU because they are trying to create a surveillance state. If that was true, we would all be worried. Have you ever thought that your paranoia is not proof of anything? Meanwhile: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Uni... https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spied-merkel-other-top-european-officials-through-danish-2021-05-30/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spie... I am still worried about facts, especially those carried out by agencies working secretively under practically no control by the people, that sometimes also spy on those same people they are sworn to protect. Anyway, EU is not a State, so EU can't technically build a surveillance State. EU is not the NSA.
  - DontMindit 4y ago
    EU and NSA, same actors, different starting conditions
    - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
      > EU and NSA, same actors, different starting conditions that's frankly one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read in my entire life. Care to explain what's your rationale behind it? Where's, for example, the European Snowden? Where's proof of EU spying not only allied leaders, which is already bad enough, but the citizens of the country they work for?
      - SamPatt 4y ago
        The European Snowden was Snowden. The UK is a part of the Five Eyes and Snowden was stationed in Switzerland while doing mass surveillance.
        ClumsyPilot 4y ago
        Five eyes does not include EU: it's almost every western nation except eu!
        peoplefromibiza 4y ago
        > The UK is a part of the Five Eyes UK is not EU > Snowden was stationed in Switzerland Switzerland is not EU
        DontMindit 4y ago
        [flagged]
fhajl 4y ago
macinjosh 4y ago
It couldn’t possibly be because the EU is incredibly problematic. /s
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  just, like, everything in this World? Should we label everything "the true face of" (meaning they are evil) when the representatives of 450 million people lay out some document we don't like?

grnmamba 4y ago

Is that a rhetorical question? I'm bashing the EU because they are trying to create a surveillance state.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> I'm bashing the EU because they are trying to create a surveillance state. If that was true, we would all be worried. Have you ever thought that your paranoia is not proof of anything? Meanwhile: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Uni... https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spied-merkel-other-top-european-officials-through-danish-2021-05-30/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spie... I am still worried about facts, especially those carried out by agencies working secretively under practically no control by the people, that sometimes also spy on those same people they are sworn to protect. Anyway, EU is not a State, so EU can't technically build a surveillance State. EU is not the NSA.
- DontMindit 4y ago
  EU and NSA, same actors, different starting conditions
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    > EU and NSA, same actors, different starting conditions that's frankly one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read in my entire life. Care to explain what's your rationale behind it? Where's, for example, the European Snowden? Where's proof of EU spying not only allied leaders, which is already bad enough, but the citizens of the country they work for?
    - SamPatt 4y ago
      The European Snowden was Snowden. The UK is a part of the Five Eyes and Snowden was stationed in Switzerland while doing mass surveillance.
      - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
        Five eyes does not include EU: it's almost every western nation except eu!
      - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
        > The UK is a part of the Five Eyes UK is not EU > Snowden was stationed in Switzerland Switzerland is not EU
        DontMindit 4y ago
        [flagged]

fhajl 4y ago

macinjosh 4y ago

It couldn’t possibly be because the EU is incredibly problematic. /s

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
just, like, everything in this World? Should we label everything "the true face of" (meaning they are evil) when the representatives of 450 million people lay out some document we don't like?