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The Russian delusions around WW2 are astonishing. They (USSR was Russian-lead) were literally allied with Nazi-Germany and agreed to split Europe with them. Th

The Russian delusions around WW2 are astonishing. They (USSR was Russian-lead) were literally allied with Nazi-Germany and agreed to split Europe with them. They executed 20000+ Polish people in Katyn alone.

thriftwy 4y ago
Yes, USSR had a pact with Nazi Germany. Until it hadn't. So?
- sgjohnson 4y ago
  So USSR was exactly as guilty in WW2 happening as Nazi Germany. USSR was not one bit better.
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    And why are we discussing this different topic out of sudden?
  - krzyk 4y ago
    USSR was actually much worse than Nazi Germany. They had much more time to do bad things. And even if we only account WWII timeline, people in territories between Germany and USSR preferred to be conquered by Germans, purely because their soldiers were more disciplined than the ones from USSR (which were just peasants, frequently even without boots, equipped with weapons).
    - thriftwy 4y ago
      > people in territories between Germany and USSR preferred to be conquered by Germans Dear krzyk! Do you consider jews people?
      - krzyk 4y ago
        Are you a Jew that was there during the start of WW2? Russians (USSR, potato-potato) at that time were exterminating most of people that had any kind of education - because those were potential "traitors". Most Jews were intelligence class, which was considered enemy of the "working class".
        thriftwy 4y ago
        Imagine you are a Jew. Would you prefer to stay in the Soviet occupation zone and try your luck, or would you choose the Nazi zone (because what can go wrong, isn't it in the EU). Indeed, many of eastern european countries used the period of Nazi occupation to get rid of as many jews and gypsies as possible. I'm not going to point fingers but you should double-check your history.
        krzyk 4y ago
        > Indeed, many of eastern european countries used the period of Nazi occupation to get rid of as many jews and gypsies as possible. I'm not going to point fingers but you should double-check your history. Not countries, but stupid people. There a lot of those that envy others. Same happened in Soviet occupation but for different reasons. Either way EE was f**ed. Check why there were so many Jews in Eastern Europe when comparing to Western (they found save place here because they weren't so much persecuted like in the West).
    - klausjensen 4y ago
      If you focus only on the non-jewish civilian population of Poland, then I guess you could argue Soviet was worse... But in any larger context, Nazi-Germany were much, much worse.
      - krzyk 4y ago
        By larger context you mean what? Choosing between Jew or Polish population? Or maybe lets see what happened in Ukraine which was under USSR occupation before the WW2 - Holodomor which resulted in up to 3 - 5.5 million people dead, which is close to Holocaust numbers. When Soviet army marched everyone hid their daughters and wifes, to this day our grandparents tell stories how they were in the basements, or escaped to the west just not to be taken by Soviet soldiers. On the other hand some parts of Poland were consider by Nazis as their land and they didn't rape or kill citizens, but they had obligatory conscription of capable man - many of them tried to hide and died if they were found.
        klausjensen 4y ago
        I am 100% in agreement with you about the atrocities commited by the Soviet Union, which clearly spills over on how they act today (still raping, torturing, executing civilians etc - and it seems acceptable and encouraged in their military culture). I would just argue that Nazi-germany's industrial-scale extermination of jews, homosexuals, handicapped etc is still worse. Anyway - it is arguing semantics and definitions. :)
    - walrusfromspace 4y ago
      Which is tragic considering that the Nazis did not see any future for those people other than dead or slaves. Somehow people forget that the Nazis wanted to kill or enslave all Slavs[1] within their "lebensraum" territories. [1] They also considered Estonians and Finns as "Mongoloids" and as such subhuman although both were elevated to "Aryan" status following the winter war.
      - krzyk 4y ago
        Nazis wanted to enslave Slavs, not kill them. USSR wanted to kill anyone that had above elementary school education - basically killing the head. Which was much better end strategy, because there wouldn't be anyone to revolt.

thriftwy 4y ago

Yes, USSR had a pact with Nazi Germany. Until it hadn't. So?

sgjohnson 4y ago
So USSR was exactly as guilty in WW2 happening as Nazi Germany. USSR was not one bit better.
- thriftwy 4y ago
  And why are we discussing this different topic out of sudden?
- krzyk 4y ago
  USSR was actually much worse than Nazi Germany. They had much more time to do bad things. And even if we only account WWII timeline, people in territories between Germany and USSR preferred to be conquered by Germans, purely because their soldiers were more disciplined than the ones from USSR (which were just peasants, frequently even without boots, equipped with weapons).
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    > people in territories between Germany and USSR preferred to be conquered by Germans Dear krzyk! Do you consider jews people?
    - krzyk 4y ago
      Are you a Jew that was there during the start of WW2? Russians (USSR, potato-potato) at that time were exterminating most of people that had any kind of education - because those were potential "traitors". Most Jews were intelligence class, which was considered enemy of the "working class".
      - thriftwy 4y ago
        Imagine you are a Jew. Would you prefer to stay in the Soviet occupation zone and try your luck, or would you choose the Nazi zone (because what can go wrong, isn't it in the EU). Indeed, many of eastern european countries used the period of Nazi occupation to get rid of as many jews and gypsies as possible. I'm not going to point fingers but you should double-check your history.
        krzyk 4y ago
        > Indeed, many of eastern european countries used the period of Nazi occupation to get rid of as many jews and gypsies as possible. I'm not going to point fingers but you should double-check your history. Not countries, but stupid people. There a lot of those that envy others. Same happened in Soviet occupation but for different reasons. Either way EE was f**ed. Check why there were so many Jews in Eastern Europe when comparing to Western (they found save place here because they weren't so much persecuted like in the West).
  - klausjensen 4y ago
    If you focus only on the non-jewish civilian population of Poland, then I guess you could argue Soviet was worse... But in any larger context, Nazi-Germany were much, much worse.
    - krzyk 4y ago
      By larger context you mean what? Choosing between Jew or Polish population? Or maybe lets see what happened in Ukraine which was under USSR occupation before the WW2 - Holodomor which resulted in up to 3 - 5.5 million people dead, which is close to Holocaust numbers. When Soviet army marched everyone hid their daughters and wifes, to this day our grandparents tell stories how they were in the basements, or escaped to the west just not to be taken by Soviet soldiers. On the other hand some parts of Poland were consider by Nazis as their land and they didn't rape or kill citizens, but they had obligatory conscription of capable man - many of them tried to hide and died if they were found.
      - klausjensen 4y ago
        I am 100% in agreement with you about the atrocities commited by the Soviet Union, which clearly spills over on how they act today (still raping, torturing, executing civilians etc - and it seems acceptable and encouraged in their military culture). I would just argue that Nazi-germany's industrial-scale extermination of jews, homosexuals, handicapped etc is still worse. Anyway - it is arguing semantics and definitions. :)
  - walrusfromspace 4y ago
    Which is tragic considering that the Nazis did not see any future for those people other than dead or slaves. Somehow people forget that the Nazis wanted to kill or enslave all Slavs[1] within their "lebensraum" territories. [1] They also considered Estonians and Finns as "Mongoloids" and as such subhuman although both were elevated to "Aryan" status following the winter war.
    - krzyk 4y ago
      Nazis wanted to enslave Slavs, not kill them. USSR wanted to kill anyone that had above elementary school education - basically killing the head. Which was much better end strategy, because there wouldn't be anyone to revolt.