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• thriftwy 4y ago
  Seriously though, all of these russophobic eastern european countries are like: "Russia took our lands". First of all, it was not Russia but USSR who took your lands; second, USSR did not give these lands to Russia (even in the form of RSFSR) but to other russophobic eastern european countries. You are grown-ups now. Sort it out between yourselves.
  • klausjensen 4y ago
    The Russian delusions around WW2 are astonishing. They (USSR was Russian-lead) were literally allied with Nazi-Germany and agreed to split Europe with them. They executed 20000+ Polish people in Katyn alone.
    • thriftwy 4y ago
      Yes, USSR had a pact with Nazi Germany. Until it hadn't. So?
      • sgjohnson 4y ago
        So USSR was exactly as guilty in WW2 happening as Nazi Germany. USSR was not one bit better.
        • thriftwy 4y ago
          And why are we discussing this different topic out of sudden?
        • krzyk 4y ago
          USSR was actually much worse than Nazi Germany. They had much more time to do bad things. And even if we only account WWII timeline, people in territories between Germany and USSR preferred to be conquered by Germans, purely because their soldiers were more disciplined than the ones from USSR (which were just peasants, frequently even without boots, equipped with weapons).
          • thriftwy 4y ago
            > people in territories between Germany and USSR preferred to be conquered by Germans Dear krzyk! Do you consider jews people?
            • krzyk 4y ago
              Are you a Jew that was there during the start of WW2? Russians (USSR, potato-potato) at that time were exterminating most of people that had any kind of education - because those were potential "traitors". Most Jews were intelligence class, which was considered enemy of the "working class".
              • thriftwy 4y ago
                Imagine you are a Jew. Would you prefer to stay in the Soviet occupation zone and try your luck, or would you choose the Nazi zone (because what can go wrong, isn't it in the EU). Indeed, many of eastern european countries used the period of Nazi occupation to get rid of as many jews and gypsies as possible. I'm not going to point fingers but you should double-check your history.
                • krzyk 4y ago
                  > Indeed, many of eastern european countries used the period of Nazi occupation to get rid of as many jews and gypsies as possible. I'm not going to point fingers but you should double-check your history. Not countries, but stupid people. There a lot of those that envy others. Same happened in Soviet occupation but for different reasons. Either way EE was f**ed. Check why there were so many Jews in Eastern Europe when comparing to Western (they found save place here because they weren't so much persecuted like in the West).
          • klausjensen 4y ago
            If you focus only on the non-jewish civilian population of Poland, then I guess you could argue Soviet was worse... But in any larger context, Nazi-Germany were much, much worse.
  • thereddaikon 4y ago
    Russia is officially the successor state of the USSR. So legally yes, the USSR is Russia in so far as anyone cares for the purposes of assigning blame.
    • coddingtonbear 4y ago
      I don't really want to get involved in this argument, but I think this is a situation where there's just a little bit of missing historical background that might help you two understand one another. What the upstream commenter is referring to is the fact that the land that was historically eastern Poland isn't part of Russia now -- it's part of Ukraine and Belarus. Sure, the USSR (of which Russia is the successor state) is what performed that land transfer, but the land was not transferred to what is now Russia.
      • avodonosov 4y ago
        > the land that was historically eastern Poland isn't part of Russia now -- it's part of Ukraine and Belarus The Belarussian / Polish border today is almost exactly the border between Kingdom of Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania within the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. So "historically eastern Poland" is not right there. Some like to think of the whole Commonwelth as Poland, which really dominated there. But in this case whole Belarus and Ukraine are "eastern Poland". That's what poles tried to restore when got chance to recreate their state after WWI, as I understand. The full commonwealth. But only got to the borders we know as the pre-1939 Poland. BTW, Ukraine is mostly the part of the GDL annexed by the Kingdom of Poland during the Union of Lublin. The todays Belarus / Ukraine border goes by this line. There are overlap maps in wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Commonwealth https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Co... Going deeper in history of GDL, Russia and Poland uncovers more.