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Whites are the oppressors and BIPOC are the oppressed. That anything and everything boils down to the color of your skin. That white Americans in particular a

Whites are the oppressors and BIPOC are the oppressed. That anything and everything boils down to the color of your skin. That white Americans in particular are the sole perpetrators of historic slavery. That current white people should atone for the sins of past slave owners regardless of when their family came to the US.

klyrs 4y ago
Well, you're absolutely correct, inasmuch as that's a racist tire fire that shouldn't be in schools. But that's not "critical race theory," it's overwrought caricature that mainstream (and, in my bubble, even the quite radical) progressives would disagree with.
- tastyfreeze 4y ago
  CRT is a legal theory taught in colleges that is based on the ideas that are being taught in some elementary and secondary schools. No, CRT proper is not taught to children. Yes, the ideas that CRT is based on are being taught to some children. When the right says CRT is taught in schools this is what they are talking about. When the left and the media says that CRT isn't taught in schools they are talking about the CRT legal theory. https://areomagazine.com/2022/01/18/yes-children-are-being-taught-critical-race-theory-in-k-12-schools-in-the-us/ https://areomagazine.com/2022/01/18/yes-children-are-being-t...
  - lapcat 4y ago
    1) Areo magazine is a political hack publication. 2) The article about US schools was written by an Australian. 3) The article seems free of any actual empirical examples of its main claim. 4) There have always been groups in the US who want censorship in schools for anything they don't like politically or religiously, most notably, the science of biological evolution. The "oh no, what are they teaching the children in schools" crowd is very hard to take seriously. There are people who don't want slavery mentioned in schools. They don't want the Holocaust mentioned in schools. It's hard to imagine a more "radical agenda" than all of this censorship and denial of facts. Wipe away history? Wipe away science? The irony is that those who say "just teach the controversy about evolution and the Holocaust" [there's no scientific controversy] would also refuse to "teach the controversy" over CRT. I've never taught high school, but I did teach (philosophy) at the university level in the past, and the people who complain about what's taught in college typically believe laughably inaccurate caricatures of what actually happens in the classroom. We're not proselytizing students; it's hard enough just to keep them awake during class and prod them to actually do the assigned reading in the first place.
    - klyrs 4y ago
      > 3) The article seems free of any actual empirical examples of its main claim. Yeah, I gave the article an honest read, looking for real evidence, because it runs entirely counter to my experience. I'm a mom of a kid in grade school, and I've talked to a lot of parents and teachers about this topic. I'm in the very liberal Vancouver area, and my same-aged friends are spread across Canada and the US. Nobody I know is seeing anything like the racist trash that tastyfreeze and Areo are spreading.
    - tastyfreeze 4y ago
      Ok, how about some other sources? https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/12/22/no_critical_race_theory_in_schools_heres_the_abundant_evidence_saying_otherwise_808528.html https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/12/22/... https://www.heritage.org/education/report/rescuing-math-and-science-critical-race-theorys-racial-discrimination https://www.heritage.org/education/report/rescuing-math-and-...
      - lapcat 4y ago
        > Ok, how about some other sources? Heh, let me know when you come up with something that isn't a political hack publication.
        tastyfreeze 4y ago
        As I suspected. Unwilling to read evidence with an open mind because they are from the "other side". Both of those sources quote school district administrators and curriculums.
        lapcat 4y ago
        > As I suspected. Unwilling to read evidence with an open mind because they are from the "other side". I took the time to read the first link you chose. It did not show what you thought it showed. You thereby lost credibility and the benefit of the doubt in my eyes. So no, I'm not going to waste any more time reading your links unless I have a very good reason, and I also find it suspicious that all of your links are to publications with well-known political agendas. This is why I'm suggesting you find an article, one article, any article, that doesn't come from such a publication. Your "other side" comment is an incorrect assumption, because I'm not on a side and have no political party. I'm what you might call an "independent".

klyrs 4y ago

Well, you're absolutely correct, inasmuch as that's a racist tire fire that shouldn't be in schools. But that's not "critical race theory," it's overwrought caricature that mainstream (and, in my bubble, even the quite radical) progressives would disagree with.

tastyfreeze 4y ago
CRT is a legal theory taught in colleges that is based on the ideas that are being taught in some elementary and secondary schools. No, CRT proper is not taught to children. Yes, the ideas that CRT is based on are being taught to some children. When the right says CRT is taught in schools this is what they are talking about. When the left and the media says that CRT isn't taught in schools they are talking about the CRT legal theory. https://areomagazine.com/2022/01/18/yes-children-are-being-taught-critical-race-theory-in-k-12-schools-in-the-us/ https://areomagazine.com/2022/01/18/yes-children-are-being-t...
- lapcat 4y ago
  1) Areo magazine is a political hack publication. 2) The article about US schools was written by an Australian. 3) The article seems free of any actual empirical examples of its main claim. 4) There have always been groups in the US who want censorship in schools for anything they don't like politically or religiously, most notably, the science of biological evolution. The "oh no, what are they teaching the children in schools" crowd is very hard to take seriously. There are people who don't want slavery mentioned in schools. They don't want the Holocaust mentioned in schools. It's hard to imagine a more "radical agenda" than all of this censorship and denial of facts. Wipe away history? Wipe away science? The irony is that those who say "just teach the controversy about evolution and the Holocaust" [there's no scientific controversy] would also refuse to "teach the controversy" over CRT. I've never taught high school, but I did teach (philosophy) at the university level in the past, and the people who complain about what's taught in college typically believe laughably inaccurate caricatures of what actually happens in the classroom. We're not proselytizing students; it's hard enough just to keep them awake during class and prod them to actually do the assigned reading in the first place.
  - klyrs 4y ago
    > 3) The article seems free of any actual empirical examples of its main claim. Yeah, I gave the article an honest read, looking for real evidence, because it runs entirely counter to my experience. I'm a mom of a kid in grade school, and I've talked to a lot of parents and teachers about this topic. I'm in the very liberal Vancouver area, and my same-aged friends are spread across Canada and the US. Nobody I know is seeing anything like the racist trash that tastyfreeze and Areo are spreading.
  - tastyfreeze 4y ago
    Ok, how about some other sources? https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/12/22/no_critical_race_theory_in_schools_heres_the_abundant_evidence_saying_otherwise_808528.html https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/12/22/... https://www.heritage.org/education/report/rescuing-math-and-science-critical-race-theorys-racial-discrimination https://www.heritage.org/education/report/rescuing-math-and-...
    - lapcat 4y ago
      > Ok, how about some other sources? Heh, let me know when you come up with something that isn't a political hack publication.
      - tastyfreeze 4y ago
        As I suspected. Unwilling to read evidence with an open mind because they are from the "other side". Both of those sources quote school district administrators and curriculums.
        lapcat 4y ago
        > As I suspected. Unwilling to read evidence with an open mind because they are from the "other side". I took the time to read the first link you chose. It did not show what you thought it showed. You thereby lost credibility and the benefit of the doubt in my eyes. So no, I'm not going to waste any more time reading your links unless I have a very good reason, and I also find it suspicious that all of your links are to publications with well-known political agendas. This is why I'm suggesting you find an article, one article, any article, that doesn't come from such a publication. Your "other side" comment is an incorrect assumption, because I'm not on a side and have no political party. I'm what you might call an "independent".