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I'd love to know what percentage of those CSAM numbers are inflated by 14-17 yrs old sharing their own pictures (and their SOs leaking to someone else w/o permi

by work_ta_220503 4y ago

I'd love to know what percentage of those CSAM numbers are inflated by 14-17 yrs old sharing their own pictures (and their SOs leaking to someone else w/o permission) versus what most of the people imagine when government yells "CP!!!"

breakfastduck 4y ago
70-80% total is the suggested inflation, my guess on that.
- zx85wes 4y ago
  I think that's a very conservative estimation.
judge2020 4y ago
Not the same metric, but related: > Approximately 200,000 people in 38 states are currently on the sex offender registry for crimes they committed as children. Some were put on the registry when they were as young as eight years old. https://jlc.org/issues/juvenile-sex-offender-registry-sorna https://jlc.org/issues/juvenile-sex-offender-registry-sorna
- jotm 4y ago
  Oh no, I saw myself naked in the mirror so many times as a kid!
dijit 4y ago
Just so you’re aware. That is actually illegal and those teens sending pictures to other teens can (and are) prosecuted.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  This might not be universally true soon. The Netherlands proposed changing the law so teens are okay sexting one another as long as there is mutual consent and it's not to make money[0]. However, it has been stalled for a few years now. (I initially thought it was accepted, but now things are forecasted to be 2024). I also suspect that despite it being illegal, very little action is undertaken while the above requirements are still met. I do not know about other EU countries. [0]: https://www.mediawijsheid.nl/veelgestelde-vraag/is-sexting-strafbaar/ https://www.mediawijsheid.nl/veelgestelde-vraag/is-sexting-s... (Dutch)
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  - thirdsun 4y ago
    Are you talking about the same thing? Mutual, consenting sexting between two teenagers can't possibly be illegal, can it? I think the grand parent comment is talking about leaking those images to other people without permission. That absolutely has to be illegal.
    - hvdijk 4y ago
      > Mutual, consenting sexting between two teenagers can't possibly be illegal, can it? If those teenagers are minors and are sending sexual pictures of themselves, they are sending sexual pictures of minors. Without an exception in the law to specifically allow this, that can be and is illegal by the laws that criminalise possession or distribution of sexual pictures of minors. There should be an exception in the law for it, but until there is, there isn't.
    - dijit 4y ago
      > Mutual, consenting sexting between two teenagers can't possibly be illegal, can it? It absolutely is. It’s still consumption of illicit material depicting someone under the age of 18, which is a law being broken, even if it's by someone younger than 18. Ask me how I know. I'll give you a hint: I have an absolutely awful sounding thing on my criminal record from when I was 15.
    - _Algernon_ 4y ago
      >Mutual, consenting sexting between two teenagers can't possibly be illegal, can it? Yes, it can and it is. Though most reasonable places would probably not enforce it harshly.

breakfastduck 4y ago

70-80% total is the suggested inflation, my guess on that.

zx85wes 4y ago
I think that's a very conservative estimation.

judge2020 4y ago

Not the same metric, but related: > Approximately 200,000 people in 38 states are currently on the sex offender registry for crimes they committed as children. Some were put on the registry when they were as young as eight years old. https://jlc.org/issues/juvenile-sex-offender-registry-sorna https://jlc.org/issues/juvenile-sex-offender-registry-sorna

jotm 4y ago
Oh no, I saw myself naked in the mirror so many times as a kid!

dijit 4y ago

Just so you’re aware. That is actually illegal and those teens sending pictures to other teens can (and are) prosecuted.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
This might not be universally true soon. The Netherlands proposed changing the law so teens are okay sexting one another as long as there is mutual consent and it's not to make money[0]. However, it has been stalled for a few years now. (I initially thought it was accepted, but now things are forecasted to be 2024). I also suspect that despite it being illegal, very little action is undertaken while the above requirements are still met. I do not know about other EU countries. [0]: https://www.mediawijsheid.nl/veelgestelde-vraag/is-sexting-strafbaar/ https://www.mediawijsheid.nl/veelgestelde-vraag/is-sexting-s... (Dutch)
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- thirdsun 4y ago
  Are you talking about the same thing? Mutual, consenting sexting between two teenagers can't possibly be illegal, can it? I think the grand parent comment is talking about leaking those images to other people without permission. That absolutely has to be illegal.
  - hvdijk 4y ago
    > Mutual, consenting sexting between two teenagers can't possibly be illegal, can it? If those teenagers are minors and are sending sexual pictures of themselves, they are sending sexual pictures of minors. Without an exception in the law to specifically allow this, that can be and is illegal by the laws that criminalise possession or distribution of sexual pictures of minors. There should be an exception in the law for it, but until there is, there isn't.
  - dijit 4y ago
    > Mutual, consenting sexting between two teenagers can't possibly be illegal, can it? It absolutely is. It’s still consumption of illicit material depicting someone under the age of 18, which is a law being broken, even if it's by someone younger than 18. Ask me how I know. I'll give you a hint: I have an absolutely awful sounding thing on my criminal record from when I was 15.
  - _Algernon_ 4y ago
    >Mutual, consenting sexting between two teenagers can't possibly be illegal, can it? Yes, it can and it is. Though most reasonable places would probably not enforce it harshly.