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"Why wouldn't you just consent to an intimate unwarranted and unjustified search of your body that is completely medically unnecessary, with the expectation tha

"Why wouldn't you just consent to an intimate unwarranted and unjustified search of your body that is completely medically unnecessary, with the expectation that the hospital will probably send you the bill afterwards?" Every single 'search' along the way was used to fabricate evidence against me. Remember these people are professional psychopathic liers so every inch you give them, they just use it to justify something even worse. 1) The dog -- never alerted -- they lied and said it alerted on my anus (WTF!?!). Used to justify a scan of my body with some x-ray looking machine at the border. 2) The "machine" (IDK what it was, but looked like a body scanner type thing) -- there was nothing, but then someone claims they "Saw something" which turned out to almost assuredly to have been my belt buckle. 3) The machine was used to justify strip searching me. 4) Fabricated evidence from the strip search was used to justify dragging me to hospitals for an x-ray. Now what was to be expected next? It just doesn't end. I did nothing wrong.

jka 4y ago
I believe it, and that's a heinous series of events. Perhaps someone got confused, or there was an identity mismatch, or something. They're no excuse, but clearly something happened. It's understandable (and not necessarily wrong) to vent here, and I'm not going to ask whether you have done this already, because it's not useful to draw out an answer, but: if you can, find the relevant anti-corruption agency and report the events to them. There's a chance that doing so might increase the likelihood of harassment again in future -- I have no idea how these things show up on border entry systems -- so it's your choice, but the key idea is to get a paper trail in place that will show up if (and hopefully when) investigations are later taking place. I haven't worked in law enforcement, but I imagine that the same way that good policework involves collecting statements and records of events to put together a case, internal (or independent) investigations into misconduct require similar records. The ability for individuals to get away with bad conduct is, I'd guess, based on people believing that it's not worthwhile to file reports against them. They do get caught when they are.
- notch656a 4y ago
  Appreciate the advice. >There's a chance that doing so might increase the likelihood of harassment again in future I'm probably already at max likelihood already. I am detained 4+ hours everytime I enter the country. In 2015 I fought alongside the Kurdish militia YPG in northern Syria against ISIS, and ever since the CBP has targeted me. There is a flag on my passport that basically says 'harass him' as best as I can tell. >if you can, find the relevant anti-corruption agency and report the events to them. Still in the process of filing the complaints against the relevant medical professionals who violated patient consent. I am currently working in order of operations from where I expect justice to be most likely (complicit medical workers) to where I expect justice to be impossible (CBP officers).
  - jka 4y ago
    You're welcome. That's a tough situation; I don't know if there's much I can say. Sounds like you've got a good, considered approach, so keep up the work to improve the environment and keep in mind other ways you can develop (and enjoy) your time is probably the best platitude I can offer (and one you probably already understand).
- ROTMetro 4y ago
  Maybe 20 years ago the system worked, but it does not work currently. While I was incarcerated all of the decent COs quit or descended into drug/alcohol abuse if they had to keep the job. One was like 2 years from retirement and he just couldn't work in such a messed up system anymore. We had one counselor who actually helped people. They demoted here to a horrible work situation because she was helping people with COVID release paperwork because we had no access to the law library due to COVIDE. It was actually part of her job description to provide that help with copies (and optionally charge us per copy depending on if we were indigent), but that didn't matter. She was too helpful so she had to go.
  - notch656a 4y ago
    It's also worth noting that the COs you refer to are part of a jobs pipeline that feeds into immigration related officers. Immigrants will be treated by the same COs you met while incarcerated, and this time there is not even the pretense there has been a 'justified' conviction. Criminal 'justice' in US is in dire need of overhaul, and an actual plan on how to get our imprisonment rate down to other first world nations.
ROTMetro 4y ago
Don't forget the 'good faith' deference that the Courts give to these people. They can lie, you can have actual evidence to show they are lying, but the court will extend 'good faith' to their testimony and hold it above the facts you demonstrate. Reality can literally be trumped by their lies. The USA has gone crazy in its support of the authorities. Oh, what, your evidence wasn't kept secure, and no one filled out any of the required logs of who took it out? Well, we'll throw out all of the rules and still accept it, because we extend 'good faith' to the officers. Why even have rules then if the officers aren't required to follow them and they know they will be given an excepts because of 'good faith'
ddorian43 4y ago
I just thought it would maybe help you and not be a lot of medical problem. I wasn't saying that they were right, you just needed to get out of the situation.
- notch656a 4y ago
  I understand you're thinking from the lense that CBP are neutral fair observers. This is far from the case. Persons such as Mr. Eckert who went through the x-ray, found that after that there were even worse things to come such as a colonoscopy [0]. Thes entities just want to dig deeper and deeper, and there will basically be no stopping until they even knock you out and insert a camera into your colon. The only winning move is not to play. [0] https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/16/justice/new-mexico-search-settlement/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/16/justice/new-mexico-search-set...

jka 4y ago

I believe it, and that's a heinous series of events. Perhaps someone got confused, or there was an identity mismatch, or something. They're no excuse, but clearly something happened. It's understandable (and not necessarily wrong) to vent here, and I'm not going to ask whether you have done this already, because it's not useful to draw out an answer, but: if you can, find the relevant anti-corruption agency and report the events to them. There's a chance that doing so might increase the likelihood of harassment again in future -- I have no idea how these things show up on border entry systems -- so it's your choice, but the key idea is to get a paper trail in place that will show up if (and hopefully when) investigations are later taking place. I haven't worked in law enforcement, but I imagine that the same way that good policework involves collecting statements and records of events to put together a case, internal (or independent) investigations into misconduct require similar records. The ability for individuals to get away with bad conduct is, I'd guess, based on people believing that it's not worthwhile to file reports against them. They do get caught when they are.

notch656a 4y ago
Appreciate the advice. >There's a chance that doing so might increase the likelihood of harassment again in future I'm probably already at max likelihood already. I am detained 4+ hours everytime I enter the country. In 2015 I fought alongside the Kurdish militia YPG in northern Syria against ISIS, and ever since the CBP has targeted me. There is a flag on my passport that basically says 'harass him' as best as I can tell. >if you can, find the relevant anti-corruption agency and report the events to them. Still in the process of filing the complaints against the relevant medical professionals who violated patient consent. I am currently working in order of operations from where I expect justice to be most likely (complicit medical workers) to where I expect justice to be impossible (CBP officers).
- jka 4y ago
  You're welcome. That's a tough situation; I don't know if there's much I can say. Sounds like you've got a good, considered approach, so keep up the work to improve the environment and keep in mind other ways you can develop (and enjoy) your time is probably the best platitude I can offer (and one you probably already understand).
ROTMetro 4y ago
Maybe 20 years ago the system worked, but it does not work currently. While I was incarcerated all of the decent COs quit or descended into drug/alcohol abuse if they had to keep the job. One was like 2 years from retirement and he just couldn't work in such a messed up system anymore. We had one counselor who actually helped people. They demoted here to a horrible work situation because she was helping people with COVID release paperwork because we had no access to the law library due to COVIDE. It was actually part of her job description to provide that help with copies (and optionally charge us per copy depending on if we were indigent), but that didn't matter. She was too helpful so she had to go.
- notch656a 4y ago
  It's also worth noting that the COs you refer to are part of a jobs pipeline that feeds into immigration related officers. Immigrants will be treated by the same COs you met while incarcerated, and this time there is not even the pretense there has been a 'justified' conviction. Criminal 'justice' in US is in dire need of overhaul, and an actual plan on how to get our imprisonment rate down to other first world nations.

ROTMetro 4y ago

Don't forget the 'good faith' deference that the Courts give to these people. They can lie, you can have actual evidence to show they are lying, but the court will extend 'good faith' to their testimony and hold it above the facts you demonstrate. Reality can literally be trumped by their lies. The USA has gone crazy in its support of the authorities. Oh, what, your evidence wasn't kept secure, and no one filled out any of the required logs of who took it out? Well, we'll throw out all of the rules and still accept it, because we extend 'good faith' to the officers. Why even have rules then if the officers aren't required to follow them and they know they will be given an excepts because of 'good faith'

ddorian43 4y ago

I just thought it would maybe help you and not be a lot of medical problem. I wasn't saying that they were right, you just needed to get out of the situation.

notch656a 4y ago
I understand you're thinking from the lense that CBP are neutral fair observers. This is far from the case. Persons such as Mr. Eckert who went through the x-ray, found that after that there were even worse things to come such as a colonoscopy [0]. Thes entities just want to dig deeper and deeper, and there will basically be no stopping until they even knock you out and insert a camera into your colon. The only winning move is not to play. [0] https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/16/justice/new-mexico-search-settlement/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/16/justice/new-mexico-search-set...