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thats because Democrats are largely impotent whereas republicans have let fringe hateful ideas become their platform. If one person in the room smells like shit

thats because Democrats are largely impotent whereas republicans have let fringe hateful ideas become their platform. If one person in the room smells like shit, can you blame other people for taking a step away?

robonerd 4y ago
> republicans have let fringe hateful ideas become their platform. In 2001, 23% of Republicans/Republican-leaning Americans supported same-sex marraige. By 2019, it was 44%. Among white evangelical protestants specifically, it was 13% and rose to 29%. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/changing-att...
- breadbreadbread 4y ago
  aw thats cute. less than 50% of republicans think gay people can get married
  - lapcat 4y ago
    If I may inject a bit of dispassionate analysis here: I think there's a grain of truth to both sides. It's true that Republicans have moved more toward same-sex marriage. However, it also seems to be true that the legalization of same-sex marriage has politically activated many Republicans who are still opposed to same-sex marriage. When same-sex marriage was not legal, those opposed to it could remain fairly complacent. It was the status quo and wasn't an issue where they felt the need to engage in political activism. The most outspoken people were those in favor of same-sex marriage. But when same-sex marriage was legalized, there was an almost complete reversal, in terms of activism. So today it feels like Republicans are more opposed to same-sex marriage, even if the raw numbers say otherwise. But perhaps the raw poll numbers don't reflect the level of enthusiasm or activism regarding the issue. I think this is actually a general point: the level of political activism regarding any issue tends to be highest among those who feel threatened. So ironically, the level of activism opposed to same-sex marriage, for example, becomes higher as that view tends to wane in public popularity. A powerful overwhelming majority, on the other hand, doesn't need to make much effort to maintain its status.
  - robonerd 4y ago
    Cute? I am challenging your perception that Republicans let their "hateful fringe" take over. The data shows that Republicans have actually been getting more progressive. That this trend isn't fast enough to suit you is beyond the point, republicans trending in this direction at all (let alone doubling) contradicts your stated perception of the trend.
    - breadbreadbread 4y ago
      Your statistic is based on the opinion of individual voters. My concern is with the forces in government that have made my friends in Florida fear that they cannot talk about their lives without being branded a pedophile. The sitting members of congress who think trans people are an abomination. The 20-something states that allow for conversion therapy for minors. But sure, I'm glad I can feel safe talking about marriage with 44% of rep. voters.
    - filoeleven 4y ago
      > The data shows that Republicans have actually been getting more progressive. That data shows only that republicans’ support of gay marriage follows the same trend as democrats’, at a lower level. That indicates to me a cultural shift for this single issue more than a political one. The data in the article below paints a different overall picture, though I went to the source and did not find the information on what their metrics were for the liberal / moderate / conservative spectrum. It’s likely in their downloadable data sets but I am on mobile. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/28/what-elon-musks-polarization-graph-gets-wrong/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/28/what-elon...
- watwut 4y ago
  Actual laws actually enacted by conservatives are not middle of the road. Nor justices they pushed into supreme court. By that I mean that actual politic of both parties is different.

robonerd 4y ago

> republicans have let fringe hateful ideas become their platform. In 2001, 23% of Republicans/Republican-leaning Americans supported same-sex marraige. By 2019, it was 44%. Among white evangelical protestants specifically, it was 13% and rose to 29%. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/changing-att...

breadbreadbread 4y ago
aw thats cute. less than 50% of republicans think gay people can get married
- lapcat 4y ago
  If I may inject a bit of dispassionate analysis here: I think there's a grain of truth to both sides. It's true that Republicans have moved more toward same-sex marriage. However, it also seems to be true that the legalization of same-sex marriage has politically activated many Republicans who are still opposed to same-sex marriage. When same-sex marriage was not legal, those opposed to it could remain fairly complacent. It was the status quo and wasn't an issue where they felt the need to engage in political activism. The most outspoken people were those in favor of same-sex marriage. But when same-sex marriage was legalized, there was an almost complete reversal, in terms of activism. So today it feels like Republicans are more opposed to same-sex marriage, even if the raw numbers say otherwise. But perhaps the raw poll numbers don't reflect the level of enthusiasm or activism regarding the issue. I think this is actually a general point: the level of political activism regarding any issue tends to be highest among those who feel threatened. So ironically, the level of activism opposed to same-sex marriage, for example, becomes higher as that view tends to wane in public popularity. A powerful overwhelming majority, on the other hand, doesn't need to make much effort to maintain its status.
- robonerd 4y ago
  Cute? I am challenging your perception that Republicans let their "hateful fringe" take over. The data shows that Republicans have actually been getting more progressive. That this trend isn't fast enough to suit you is beyond the point, republicans trending in this direction at all (let alone doubling) contradicts your stated perception of the trend.
  - breadbreadbread 4y ago
    Your statistic is based on the opinion of individual voters. My concern is with the forces in government that have made my friends in Florida fear that they cannot talk about their lives without being branded a pedophile. The sitting members of congress who think trans people are an abomination. The 20-something states that allow for conversion therapy for minors. But sure, I'm glad I can feel safe talking about marriage with 44% of rep. voters.
  - filoeleven 4y ago
    > The data shows that Republicans have actually been getting more progressive. That data shows only that republicans’ support of gay marriage follows the same trend as democrats’, at a lower level. That indicates to me a cultural shift for this single issue more than a political one. The data in the article below paints a different overall picture, though I went to the source and did not find the information on what their metrics were for the liberal / moderate / conservative spectrum. It’s likely in their downloadable data sets but I am on mobile. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/28/what-elon-musks-polarization-graph-gets-wrong/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/28/what-elon...
watwut 4y ago
Actual laws actually enacted by conservatives are not middle of the road. Nor justices they pushed into supreme court. By that I mean that actual politic of both parties is different.