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Mayor of chicago said yesterday overturning roe vs wade is a call to arms. Still on twitter.

kingkawn 4y ago
Everyone in American politics uses fight metaphors. Not every political movement erects a gallows outside the Capitol and then breaks and enters to look for legislators and the Vice President to hang.
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- belorn 4y ago
  Not every cause has the same effect, which is one reason why the law often looks into intent. If the speaker intend to incite violence then it's a call for violence, and if it is not then it's a metaphor. It is only by going through the context and the environment of a statement that intent can be subjectively judged.
  - kingkawn 4y ago
    Yes, we all know Trump knows how to weasel his way out of anything.
    - belorn 4y ago
      It goes both way. If we assume intent behind a given action that has occurred, then we apply some form of competence to the person in their ability to turn intent into action. If an action is unintentional then there is some level of incompetence in play. The bigger the outcome and the more obvious we view the action is, the bigger the incompetence from a successful defense of non-intent.
      - kingkawn 4y ago
        If this word salad is what we’re reduced to when trying to justify why Trump ain’t in prison…
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  Trump explicitly asked his people to be peaceful in his fight metaphor which is more than you could say for many others.
  - dwringer 4y ago
    OTOH he also said he'd march with them to the Capitol, which presumably would have served as a form of leadership and given him some potential authority to further discourage violence. Instead, he (at best) decided to blow the whole thing off and leave the angry mob to its own devices for a few hours.
    - _-david-_ 4y ago
      I fully agree he should have gone to the Capitol. That was reckless of him. I also believe he should have said something early than he did. I don't think he blew it off as I don't think he had any intention of going there with the crowd. While he used the words "we" and "let's" I think that was referring to the crowd and it was just the way Trump talks and he did not mean to imply he would go with them. I don't think that matters. He did not tell them to go into the Capitol and he told them to be peaceful. I don't think you have thought through the outcome of this. It seems like you are saying that a person giving a speech to a crowd is responsible when some people in that crowd along with others not listening to the speech do something bad an hour later. Especially when some people claim they thought they were allowed to do that bad thing because some police opened some doors for them.
  - epakai 4y ago
    He just said be peaceful once while repeatedly suggesting our election had been stolen and encouraging a large crowd to fight back. Meanwhile explicit efforts were being made to prevent the election certification. The subtext is readily apparent and its rather disgusting when people try to weasel in his token use of "peacefully". To believe that was his intent you have to think Trump was incompetently unaware of the effects of his actions, or that he knew the potential outcome and encouraged it. Both are damning.
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Brometheus 4y ago
wow 24 hours already and still on twitter!

Everyone in American politics uses fight metaphors. Not every political movement erects a gallows outside the Capitol and then breaks and enters to look for legislators and the Vice President to hang.

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belorn 4y ago
Not every cause has the same effect, which is one reason why the law often looks into intent. If the speaker intend to incite violence then it's a call for violence, and if it is not then it's a metaphor. It is only by going through the context and the environment of a statement that intent can be subjectively judged.
- kingkawn 4y ago
  Yes, we all know Trump knows how to weasel his way out of anything.
  - belorn 4y ago
    It goes both way. If we assume intent behind a given action that has occurred, then we apply some form of competence to the person in their ability to turn intent into action. If an action is unintentional then there is some level of incompetence in play. The bigger the outcome and the more obvious we view the action is, the bigger the incompetence from a successful defense of non-intent.
    - kingkawn 4y ago
      If this word salad is what we’re reduced to when trying to justify why Trump ain’t in prison…
_-david-_ 4y ago
Trump explicitly asked his people to be peaceful in his fight metaphor which is more than you could say for many others.
- dwringer 4y ago
  OTOH he also said he'd march with them to the Capitol, which presumably would have served as a form of leadership and given him some potential authority to further discourage violence. Instead, he (at best) decided to blow the whole thing off and leave the angry mob to its own devices for a few hours.
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    I fully agree he should have gone to the Capitol. That was reckless of him. I also believe he should have said something early than he did. I don't think he blew it off as I don't think he had any intention of going there with the crowd. While he used the words "we" and "let's" I think that was referring to the crowd and it was just the way Trump talks and he did not mean to imply he would go with them. I don't think that matters. He did not tell them to go into the Capitol and he told them to be peaceful. I don't think you have thought through the outcome of this. It seems like you are saying that a person giving a speech to a crowd is responsible when some people in that crowd along with others not listening to the speech do something bad an hour later. Especially when some people claim they thought they were allowed to do that bad thing because some police opened some doors for them.
- epakai 4y ago
  He just said be peaceful once while repeatedly suggesting our election had been stolen and encouraging a large crowd to fight back. Meanwhile explicit efforts were being made to prevent the election certification. The subtext is readily apparent and its rather disgusting when people try to weasel in his token use of "peacefully". To believe that was his intent you have to think Trump was incompetently unaware of the effects of his actions, or that he knew the potential outcome and encouraged it. Both are damning.
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Brometheus 4y ago

wow 24 hours already and still on twitter!